Whites leaving SA in droves

[DagegeN]

You and Skinner can keep telling yourself that...

Please don't assosiate me with him ... i am only in Germany for business trip and my wife and home is back in SA.
And do you think i draw pleasure from reading all the shock and horror stories when my wife is home alone ? no i don't.

Maybe you should go and join their ANTI SA Group. The ones who fled SA and that gave up their mother land must keep a gaurd infront of your mouths.

 

[Skinner]

NO, you have to compare transport(which are the function cars serve.)

Of course it's not free to use, but if u never bought a car in the 1st place u can hardly complain.

You didn't read what I posted. I said: Cars and the advantages they offer.

Only public transport help you nothing when you've got lots of bags of groceries, or larger items like grills or A/V devices e.g. a TV, that you cannot carry around. And on the outskirts of cities, how do you want to get around? Bus stops are usually far apart from each other, how do you want to get to a place you want to go to, like visit a friend or a park?
Not to mention weather. You want to walk 2 km when it's pissing down? Or freezing cold?

Sure, you can largely get by without a car, but you'll decrease your living standard.

 

[Skinner]

BEEP Fail !!!
Dont generalize the entire EU ... rather say that those are the prices in your area.
Where i am in South West Germany
Fuel is Routhly R17-R18/l
And a 200g steak is 15Euro thats makes is a whopping R180 for a 200g "big one here" steak with a small portion of chips.
And a 500ml buddy Coke is roughly R16.2 and you get R1.20 back as deposit.

Saffers you are living in the lap of lux. "EXCLUDING CRIME AND OTHER BAD THINGS" but in general we have a better quality of living in SA.

Hehe okay, I was quoting the high-octane petrol, but R18 is not far off from R20. Point is, it is roughly double the cost of in SA.

As for your other points - fully agreed.

I went for a haircut now at a very basic student-run place. Just a basic haircut, I'm not even very pleased with it. €13. Which is more than R150

6-pack 340ml-each beer: €3,50
1 litle juice: €1,50
Quarter watermelon (of a ball the size of a football) (usually tastes crap): €1,-

 

[Skinner]

You and Skinner can keep telling yourself that...

Erm... I have lived most of my life in SA, and 9 months ago I was living for 2 years in SA like any other of the rest of you.

You can not complain about costs in SA, if you come to a 1st world country and see what things costs here.

 

[alloytoo]

Really? Enough to buy a $500,000 house??

Why buy in Auckland, Rent and buy outside the city.

 

[alloytoo]

1) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by social taxes (n/a in some countries).

But also very applicable to SA. Not to mention the hidden cost of social engineering.

2) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by other higher living costs.

But luckily you save it on health care, education and security.

 

[Skinner]

Why buy in Auckland, Rent and buy outside the city.

MacNabs had a similar question earlier (which it seems you didn't read):

Tough questions? Skinner, firstly why would you want to live inside the city? Obviously the houses are more expensive like everywhere else in the world (except JHB)

To which I answered:

Some people want / need to live in cities, for work or whatever reason, and that is why it would make sense to compare inner-city house prices in NZ with those of SA.

 

[Skinner]

1) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by social taxes (n/a in some countries).

But also very applicable to SA.

No!
Let me illustrate typical example out of the highest tax bracket:
SA: 40% income tax + 0% social taxes = 40% total taxes
1st world country: 40% income tax + 10% social taxes = 50% total taxes
40% < 50%
The above can vary a lot depending on the country but the final equation is always the same.
Get it?


2) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by other higher living costs.

But luckily you save it on health care, education and security.

Using the above equation, adding R700pp for SA private health care to the equation line for SA, will make little difference to the end result.
Education: although classes may be free in many 1st world countries, education costs do not include just class fees, and for the rest, you have to pay. Besides, R6000 per year for a Model D school in SA is Mickey Mouse money, that equals to R500 per month per child.
Security: R300pm for armed response is Mickey Mouse money. Will still not topple the top-mentioned equation example in favour of SA.

R700... R500... R300 come on people, that is Mickey Mouse money. Even if you get all of that for free in 1st world countries, it is altogether not such a huge sum, especially if you are in a specialist position in either country and earning top Rands or foreign currency.

 

[alloytoo]

1) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by social taxes (n/a in some countries).

No!
Let me illustrate typical example out of the highest tax bracket:
SA: 40% income tax + 0% social taxes = 40% total taxes
1st world country: 40% income tax + 10% social taxes = 50% total taxes
40% < 50%
The above can vary a lot depending on the country but the final equation is always the same.
Get it?

Actually you've failed to define social taxes, but here's the rub: Income tax is not the only tax you pay. Vat, fuel levies, bank transaction levies, lets not get started on sin taxes.

Oh to be innocent and ignorant such as your self.

Using the above equation, adding R700pp for SA private health care to the equation line for SA, will make little difference to the end result.

Again, your figure of R700pp per month excludes so many levies and surcharges, simply not covered items as to be laughable.

Education: although classes may be free in many 1st world countries, education costs do not include just class fees, and for the rest, you have to pay. Besides, R6000 per year for a Model D school in SA is Mickey Mouse money, that equals to R500 per month per child.

For decent education? Not less than R2000 per month per child, plus the extras....

Security: R300pm for armed response is Mickey Mouse money. Will still not topple the top-mentioned equation example in favour of SA.

Security isn't just a simple Armed response fee, it's the tracker fee, it's the increased insurance fees, it's the gates and bars and constant vigilance doctrine. It's the forfeiting of the use of parks and libraries and other public resources.

R700... R500... R300 come on people, that is Mickey Mouse money. Even if you get all of that for free in 1st world countries, it is altogether not such a huge sum, especially if you are in a specialist position in either country and earning top Rands or foreign currency.

It is Mickey Mouse money if it had any basis in reality, it clearly does not.

Cost of living isn't measured in a simple foreign exchange. There are some things which as someone else so rightly pointed out, are priceless.

 

[alloytoo]

MacNabs had a similar question earlier (which it seems you didn't read):

To which I answered:

And as I mentioned, Auckland is a far more desirable destination than JHB.

 

[Skinner]

And as I mentioned, Auckland is a far more desirable destination than JHB.

And as I mentioned as well: JHB is not the only city in SA.

 

[Skinner]

Actually you've failed to define social taxes, but here's the rub: Income tax is not the only tax you pay. Vat, fuel levies, bank transaction levies, lets not get started on sin taxes.

You also pay many of these taxes in overseas countries. I don't get your point?

Oh to be innocent and ignorant such as your self.

Thanks for the insult. Much appreciated.

Again, your figure of R700pp per month excludes so many levies and surcharges, simply not covered items as to be laughable.

I don't get what you mean with "levies and surcharges". I phone Momentum Life or whoever and get a quote for R700 per month for a hospital plan, full amount, full cover, end of story. What's the problem?

For decent education? Not less than R2000 per month per child, plus the extras....

Complete and utter B-S. Private schools in SA are in that league.
Tell me what is the problem with public schools? There are a whole lot of good ones, like in the Western Cape. What's wrong with Paul Roos? Or Boys' High? They still have decent education. Unlike public schools in the UK, where the kids spit and swear at their teachers.

Security isn't just a simple Armed response fee,

Yes it is in many places, assuming you'd feel more comfortable with it in the first place.

it's the tracker fee,

If you drive a Corolla you don't need a tracker, and even if it's stolen who cares, it's insured.

it's the increased insurance fees

Insurance on a R30k Corolla inclusive of R100k household insurance will cost you max R200 per month. As said: Mickey Mouse money.

I can understand if your new 5-series Beemer, which which you want to impress the Jones', costs you R1.5k+ per month for insurance! No wonder then you also need to install a tracker, to bring the premium down. What a joke!

it's the gates and bars

Mickey Mouse money.
Get a friend or family member who can weld, to install the bars for you at "family discount"

and constant vigilance doctrine. It's the forfeiting of the use of parks and libraries and other public resources.

Off the subject of costs.

It is Mickey Mouse money if it had any basis in reality, it clearly does not.

Well it does, as I've illustrated above.

Many people complain about those small little costs, ohh ahh it's so bad and it's getting them down and so and so, and they threaten to emmigrate, thinking economically things are better overseas (which is a myth because the whole world is currently suffering economically), meanwhile they have a new 5-series Beemer parked in the garage (oops, I forgot, rather: driveway) eating R4k per month instalment and R1.5k per month insurance premium!

Cost of living isn't measured in a simple foreign exchange. There are some things which as someone else so rightly pointed out, are priceless.

True, but coming back to the old argument, these "priceless" things can be increased by living in the right area in SA. It is not all that bad in every corner of SA. As for pure costs, as I've illustrated, you are making a mistake if you go overseas and think you'll score a cheaper cost of living.

 

[Ricard]

Sorry, I promised myself I would never post on this forum ever again.... but you are spreading so much DIS-INFORMATION its scary.

1) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by social taxes (n/a in some countries).

No!
Let me illustrate typical example out of the highest tax bracket:
SA: 40% income tax + 0% social taxes = 40% total taxes
1st world country: 40% income tax + 10% social taxes = 50% total taxes
40% < 50%
The above can vary a lot depending on the country but the final equation is always the same.
Get it?

Do a REAL world example... dont thumbsuck values and speak rubbish.

http://www.oldmutual.co.za/markets/south-african-budget-2008/income-tax-calculator.aspx

Lets say someone Earns R30 000 a month (That is a GOOD salary I think)
Tax : R 7,160.80
Avg Tax Percentage : 23.87 %
Take Home : R22840
This is in the highest tax bracket (42%) in South Africa as it exceeds R215 000 per anum...

Add on School, Security, Rates in Taxes, Medical Aid and then you see a different number.

Now lets look at the UK .. easy to Google for Tax calculators. For sake of argument, you earn £2142 per month (R30 000 / 14.. just guessed a good exchange rate)

Tax : £337.82
UIF : £185.5 <--------- your so called Social tax
Avg Percent : 25%
Take Home : £1,618.61

Now this package is in the lower tax brackets of 22%, to get in to Supertax, you need to earn £42 000 and more per year. (and then ONLY is the tax bracket applied on the DIFFERENCE between X - 42000, and not applied to your entire pay packet.. as its calculated in most countries)

http://listentotaxman.com/index.php?c=1&yr=2008&age=0&add=0&code=&pension=0&time=12&ingr=2142&vw[]=yr&vw[]=mth&vw[]=wk

now comes the rest...
Medical aid : 0
School : 0 (x2 as I have 2 kids )
Security : not needed
Council Tax : £100
Water/Lights/Electricity and Gas: £200
Broadband : £19
Food : £300 (a family of 4)
Petrol : £120
Car Tax : £20

My car insurance is £20, and repayments for a £8000 car are £130 (a 2003 Luxury Eurocan 2.0 Turbo)

So that covers everything I need to work, and these are ACTUAL values I pay every month.

My above example is a £25 000 per anum salary and its in the middle of the earning scale.... Geeks go from £25 000 up to £60 000 depending on expertise.. so there is only one way to go, and that is UP. The official working week is 37.5 hours and guess what, If I am off sick, I dont need to bring a sick note, TRUST is still alive and well. (unless you work at a cut rate tandori take-away)

A mortgage for £200 000 will set you back £1200 a month... will it be the same in SA ? (I have a 5 bedroom house in a small village) Sure its not Sandton and I am not disputing that the same property in SA will cost about R1.2Mil... so costs are much of a muchness.

If you convert Pounds to Rands, then UK/Europe is expensive... but Income vs Expenses are alot less.

2) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by other higher living costs.

Where are you? R10 per litre for petrol! But I hear you say 'Food prices are going up all over the world!' and you would be right... the UK has had a 4% increase in basic food costs over the last 2 years. so yes, 4% in the UK.. 50% in SA , they are all useless percentages. In the last 2 years, petrol has gone from £1 to £1.17 in my area. Do the maths and work out a percentage.

Using the above equation, adding R700pp for SA private health care to the equation line for SA, will make little difference to the end result.
Education: although classes may be free in many 1st world countries, education costs do not include just class fees, and for the rest, you have to pay. Besides, R6000 per year for a Model D school in SA is Mickey Mouse money, that equals to R500 per month per child.
Security: R300pm for armed response is Mickey Mouse money. Will still not topple the top-mentioned equation example in favour of SA.

R700... R500... R300 come on people, that is Mickey Mouse money. Even if you get all of that for free in 1st world countries, it is altogether not such a huge sum, especially if you are in a specialist position in either country and earning top Rands or foreign currency.

You have missed the point.. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PAY for Security? Why all the mickey mouse costs ? they all add up! R600 mickey mouse fees are more than the yearly income of people in townships! trademark of a typical person that only thinks of himself. (I hear you say 'They must get off their arses and go do some work!' but thats a plain callous statement made by people who have everything they want and have never been sidelined for any reason)
Why dont you go to a township and give R600 to the first person you come across... I bet you wont. (and if you say you Do, then I will ask you to up your medication dosage)
one R600 is mickey mouse, but 2x600 are not in the Disney league anymore.

I wont argue or agree with you on costs, but if you rate skin cancer as a plus point, then its your choice. If you like the weather, then so be it... If you like a 6ft palisade fence, then that is your choice. I prefer being stress free, as stress is a biggest cause of heart attacks. I choose not to live in a prison and crap in my pants every time I hear a dog bark. I choose not to be told that I dont qualify for the Job based on race - but plainly, my choices are different.

There is an old adage, 'If you want to look thin, then surround yourself with fat people'. But you can rest assured, Europe doesnt give a continental rats arse about South Africas problems... its only the South Africans that worry about 'What others Think'

I wear my green rugby jersey (I never wore one in SA!), I was at Lords watching the cricket, I cheer the teams on tour and I am a Proud South African .. but I am NOT Proud OF South Africa There is a difference.. notice it?

This post is a bit long, and its taken the best of an hour to write. so here are my parting words..

If you want to leave, make your own mind up on your OWN RESEARCH and base your decision on FACT. rambing on a forum is NOT research. Opinions are like arseholes , everyone has got one.

Skinner, I respect you for trying to make the best of the situation - but talking rubbish just discredits you as a loony. (This applies to many others too - but your post caught my eye)

According to many people, I have given up my rights to criticise South Africa, but on that same token - who are you (and others) to criticise others wanting to leave South Africa.

 

[Ou grote]

Hehe okay, I was quoting the high-octane petrol, but R18 is not far off from R20. Point is, it is roughly double the cost of in SA.

As for your other points - fully agreed.

I went for a haircut now at a very basic student-run place. Just a basic haircut, I'm not even very pleased with it. €13. Which is more than R150

6-pack 340ml-each beer: €3,50
1 litle juice: €1,50
Quarter watermelon (of a ball the size of a football) (usually tastes crap): €1,-

1) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by social taxes (n/a in some countries).

No!
Let me illustrate typical example out of the highest tax bracket:
SA: 40% income tax + 0% social taxes = 40% total taxes
1st world country: 40% income tax + 10% social taxes = 50% total taxes
40% < 50%
The above can vary a lot depending on the country but the final equation is always the same.
Get it?


2) A big chuck of that extra money you earn, is eaten up by other higher living costs.

Using the above equation, adding R700pp for SA private health care to the equation line for SA, will make little difference to the end result.
Education: although classes may be free in many 1st world countries, education costs do not include just class fees, and for the rest, you have to pay. Besides, R6000 per year for a Model D school in SA is Mickey Mouse money, that equals to R500 per month per child.
Security: R300pm for armed response is Mickey Mouse money. Will still not topple the top-mentioned equation example in favour of SA.

R700... R500... R300 come on people, that is Mickey Mouse money. Even if you get all of that for free in 1st world countries, it is altogether not such a huge sum, especially if you are in a specialist position in either country and earning top Rands or foreign currency.

U're not turning into another onebrickshort are you?
And I just started enjoying reading your posts.

 

[alloytoo]

And as I mentioned as well: JHB is not the only city in SA.

Auckland remains the more desireable than any SA city.

 

[Skinner]

Auckland remains the more desireable than any SA city.

You mean inner city or outer city?

Because in your previous posts, you advocate the purchase of houses (that cost cheaper) outside of Auckland, but now to proclaim that Auckland is a very desirable city (which is true), but directly contradicting your statement that most want to live outside of Auckland and therefor can buy cheaper houses?
So, which is it?

 

[alloytoo]

You also pay many of these taxes in overseas countries. I don't get your point?

Exactly. You claim that there are 'additional' taxes overseas, I merely note there are additional taxes here, I however list some of them.

Thanks for the insult. Much appreciated.

Not an insult, an observation.

I don't get what you mean with "levies and surcharges". I phone Momentum Life or whoever and get a quote for R700 per month for a hospital plan, full amount, full cover, end of story. What's the problem?

100% cover right? I refer to my observation above.

Complete and utter B-S. Private schools in SA are in that league.
Tell me what is the problem with public schools? There are a whole lot of good ones, like in the Western Cape. What's wrong with Paul Roos? Or Boys' High? They still have decent education. Unlike public schools in the UK, where the kids spit and swear at their teachers.

Never heard of the schools you mention, so they can't be that good.

DHS fees range from R17000 - R19000 per annum, not including registration fees, boarding, or all the extra's that a premier school demand.

Yes it is in many places, assuming you'd feel more comfortable with it in the first place.

Exactly

If you drive a Corolla you don't need a tracker, and even if it's stolen who cares, it's insured.

On the contrary, if you drive a Corolla, a tracker system would probably pay for itself in premium discounts. Alternatively the excess on theft would also have paid a year's subscription, or the increase in premiums after the theft as your risk profile changes.

Insurance on a R30k Corolla inclusive of R100k household insurance will cost you max R200 per month. As said: Mickey Mouse money.

30K Corolla? ROTFLOL.

I can understand if your new 5-series Beemer, which which you want to impress the Jones', costs you R1.5k+ per month for insurance! No wonder then you also need to install a tracker, to bring the premium down. What a joke!

that is indeed a joke, how can you compare a 30k corolla (what 15 years old) with a new 5 series BMW?

Not sure what your fetish with BMW is, while the new 5 series is certainly a safer bet than your jalopy, it doesn't mean it's an enjoyable drive.

Many people complain about those small little costs, ohh ahh it's so bad and it's getting them down and so and so, and they threaten to emmigrate, thinking economically things are better overseas (which is a myth because the whole world is currently suffering economically), meanwhile they have a new 5-series Beemer parked in the garage (oops, I forgot, rather: driveway) eating R4k per month instalment and R1.5k per month insurance premium!

Actually I pay about the same as your 30K corolla example, except my car isn't 10-15 years old.

True, but coming back to the old argument, these "priceless" things can be increased by living in the right area in SA. It is not all that bad in every corner of SA. As for pure costs, as I've illustrated, you are making a mistake if you go overseas and think you'll score a cheaper cost of living.

Your illustrations are sadly lacking in reality and your comparisons are laughable.

 

[alloytoo]

You mean inner city or outer city?

Because in your previous posts, you advocate the purchase of houses (that cost cheaper) outside of Auckland, but now to proclaim that Auckland is a very desirable city (which is true), but directly contradicting your statement that most want to live outside of Auckland and therefor can buy cheaper houses?
So, which is it?

Haven't decided yet.

Inner city apartments in Auckland are a little pricy to rent, but they are conveniant.

Inner city apartments in JHB are slums.

I guess I need to go take a look.

 

[Skinner]

Do a REAL world example... dont thumbsuck values and speak rubbish.

Anyone can do real-world examples; the values I "thumbsucked" are generalised because they demonstrate the same kind of thing worldwide.

Lets say someone Earns R30 000 a month (That is a GOOD salary I think)
Tax : R 7,160.80
Avg Tax Percentage : 23.87 %
Take Home : R22840
This is in the highest tax bracket (42%) in South Africa as it exceeds R215 000 per anum...

Add on School, Security, Rates in Taxes, Medical Aid and then you see a different number.

Okay, let's take this further for an example in a safe suburb in the Western Cape, with 1 child going to a good public school.
School p/m: R500
Security: R0
Rates in Taxes: ?
Medical Aid: R700 pp
The number is different yes, but not by so much.
And let's add another item I'm sure you would dread: RENT. R4k p/m for a 3-bedroom house in a decent CPT suburb. So, how much would you pay for a month rent in London (city) per month? R4k / 15.0 = 266 Pounds?

Now lets look at the UK .. easy to Google for Tax calculators. For sake of argument, you earn £2142 per month (R30 000 / 14.. just guessed a good exchange rate)

Tax : £337.82
UIF : £185.5 <--------- your so called Social tax

Which is R2775 per month UIF
Just a side note: UIF in SA is R110? R120?
Anycase, you earn in pounds, so it does not really compare, but I just wanted to point out this. R2775 per month UIF

Avg Percent : 25%
Take Home : £1,618.61

Now this package is in the lower tax brackets of 22%, to get in to Supertax, you need to earn £42 000 and more per year. (and then ONLY is the tax bracket applied on the DIFFERENCE between X - 42000, and not applied to your entire pay packet.. as its calculated in most countries)

http://listentotaxman.com/index.php?c=1&yr=2008&age=0&add=0&code=&pension=0&time=12&ingr=2142&vw[]=yr&vw[]=mth&vw[]=wk

now comes the rest...
Medical aid : 0

I heard the NHS is horrible. Why do so many people then in UK take out additional private insurance, if the NHS was any good?

School : 0 (x2 as I have 2 kids )

Yes, where the kids (not yours!) spit and swear at the teachers. Tell me, have you seen the movie "This is England"? Will make the hair on your back rise, I tell you.

Security : not needed

I have some Saffer friends in London, next to the river, their house (and many others) are broken into all the time, and stuff stolen out. Once the perpetrator even had the audacity to go into the bedroom where one was sleeping, in the dark, and steal his guitar & stuff from under his nose!!

Water/Lights/Electricity and Gas: £200

My car insurance is £20, and repayments for a £8000 car are £130 (a 2003 Luxury Eurocan 2.0 Turbo)

And how much was your initial registration?
And how much does it cost to roadworthy your car every time? How frequent?
London Congestion Zone costs?

A mortgage for £200 000 will set you back £1200 a month... will it be the same in SA ?

Of course not! £200 000 = R3m with a payment of R18 p/m
So, let's take your example of £25 000 per anum salary which is in the middle of the earning scale. That means £2100 p/m. So more than half of your bruto salary is for your house instalment
And even if we take the top of the scale (£60 000 per annum) leaves you £5000 p/m bruto with a whopping house instalment of £1200 a month!

If you convert Pounds to Rands, then UK/Europe is expensive... but Income vs Expenses are alot less.

I have illustrated above that there are strings attached to the "seemingly low" expenses you have demonstrated. Just like the SA expenses you have listed are not a given necessity or essential in SA, depending on where you live.

Where are you? R10 per litre for petrol! But I hear you say 'Food prices are going up all over the world!' and you would be right... the UK has had a 4% increase in basic food costs over the last 2 years. so yes, 4% in the UK.. 50% in SA , they are all useless percentages. In the last 2 years, petrol has gone from £1 to £1.17 in my area. Do the maths and work out a percentage.

Percentage increase only makes sense if you take the starting costs of the two commodities to compare, into account.
4% increase on an apple that costs R2 in Europe vs 50% increase on an apple that costs 80c in SA. Still means that the apple in Europe will be more expensive in SA. (I have already mentioned this earlier but you didn't seem to have read it.)

You have missed the point.. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PAY for Security?

And you have missed my point - you don't have to pay for security. There are enough suburbs in SA where it is safe enough. And even if you do pay, it is still Mickey Mouse money (R300 p/m).

R600 mickey mouse fees are more than the yearly income of people in townships!

Did you live in a township? I didn't. So what's the problem.

trademark of a typical person that only thinks of himself.

Unfortunately that is life, because no-one else (especially not the government) will think of you in SA, and overseas even less so.

Why dont you go to a township and give R600 to the first person you come across... I bet you wont.

If I go to a township I will give completely different advice to the people there, than to the people here in this forum. They are in a different situation.

but if you rate skin cancer as a plus point, then its your choice.

Buy sun lotion.

If you like the weather, then so be it...

Actually, many people like the SA weather, and the weather in Europe is one of the main reasons people don't like Europe, or get depressed, or return to SA for that matter.

If you like a 6ft palisade fence, then that is your choice.

I will put up some photos of various suburbs in the Western Cape where there is not one palisade fence in the whole street, and I'm not talking about inside a security complex or a low-income area that can't afford the fence.

I prefer being stress free, as stress is a biggest cause of heart attacks.

Hmmm. You tried a variety of jobs in Europe? You should. It will make the stress you felt in SA because of crime, feel like an orgasm in comparison.

I choose not to live in a prison and crap in my pants every time I hear a dog bark.

You came from Gauteng, right?
Tried the Western Cape yet?

I choose not to be told that I dont qualify for the Job based on race

Then you are in the wrong industry. Try to change to a different industry.

Europe doesnt give a continental rats arse about South Africas problems...

Yes, and neither do they care about South Africans or most other 3rd-world immigrants that come and take their jobs and space.

Skinner, I respect you for trying to make the best of the situation - but talking rubbish just discredits you as a loony.

Thanks for the sincere compliment.

 

[Skinner]

Not an insult, an observation.

No, an insult.

Never heard of the schools you mention, so they can't be that good.

So, because you never heard of them, they must be horrible. Right?
Are you the Minister of Education and thus able to comment on the quality of public schools in any particular province?
I myself lived in those areas and went to some of those schools, and I still stay in touch with them, and I promise you the standards did not drop by far.

DHS fees range from R17000 - R19000 per annum, not including registration fees, boarding, or all the extra's that a premier school demand.

Never heard of that school you mention.

On the contrary, if you drive a Corolla, a tracker system would probably pay for itself in premium discounts. Alternatively the excess on theft would also have paid a year's subscription, or the increase in premiums after the theft as your risk profile changes.

So, then a tracker's costs make up for itself, as you have clearly illustrated. Why the earlier complaints and moans then about a tracker's costs?

30K Corolla? ROTFLOL.

I'm sorry, if a R0.5m 5-series Beemer is more your style, then so be it.

that is indeed a joke, how can you compare a 30k corolla (what 15 years old) with a new 5 series BMW?

Both are reliable vehicles. Unfortunately the one costs a gazillion Rands more than the other, because of mainly brand and snob value.

Not sure what your fetish with BMW is, while the new 5 series is certainly a safer bet than your jalopy, it doesn't mean it's an enjoyable drive.

New BMWs are snob vehicles for many South Africans and a typical vehicle that would stand in their driveways whenever they complain about unaffordable security costs, school fees, raising food prices, etc.