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Whites leaving SA in droves
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Welcome to newswires. Notice the little "sapa" at the bottom (http://www.sapa.co.za/) ... most news comes from a tiny handful of such sources.
Shocking!! See how the place is going downhill.
OK, jokes aside, TooFastTim is NOT exaggerating ... New Zealand really has about 50 murders a year (we have 50 a day), so that translates to about one a week. Even on a per capita basis, you are only 2% as likely to be murdered in NZ as in SA. It's a gorgeous place, I went there on holiday once. Even in the relatively big cities like Auckland you see many houses without even fences. It's modern and civilized and peaceful. Auckland reminded me a bit of Cape Town, but is safer and cleaner etc.
I think it's true many South Africans just don't even believe anymore that such places can exist.
Ain't that the truth!
If you emigrate while young you will not take much of a financial knock, if any at all (in fact the opposite, you'll be better off financially), it's people with savings and who've already spent years toiling at SA salary rates who have 'more to lose'. But I don't think you can put a price on that kind of safety and quality of life, especially if you have a family to keep safe.
See I don't agree with you. If less people are selling their houses but more people cite immigrating as their reason, we have 40% (60 ppl)fewer people selling their houses but double citing immigration (10.8ppl) where before it would have ended up calculating (9ppl). Sure the end number is almost the same, but twice the number of people citing immigration is the crux of the matter, the number of houses up for sale is not a variable we should take in to account.
If the housing market did not see its ass, and if ppl were able to leave without having to sell their houses, there would have been 2x speedup in immigrations.
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You have no idea what you talking about, the mauri’s are about 10% of the total population of the country, there are far less than 10% of whites in SA. Get your facts straight. NZ and AUS will be better than the US/UK in 10 years time, I just see improvements all the time, this country is going forwards, not backwards. Auckland has been rated the 4th best city in the world to live in, even coming out tops above all Australian cities.
Well said Badprop, I have been in NZ now for over a year, not once have I ever experienced, or seen, any sort of crime. This is what living in a normal first world society is all about. South African’s love NZ. I have the same at my office, many South Africans, Ozzies etc..
There are more murders per day in SA than all the murders in a year in NZ, last year there were something like 48 murders in the entire country, 98% of them were solved in the same year! Crimes involving sheep? HAHA, keep them coming I am starting to find this thread more and more humorous by the minute.
The only reason "crime" is so high in NZ is because the police over there bother to fine you if you jaywalk or litter.
Here in SA people jaywalk and litter without even knowing it is supposed to be a crime. Here anything less than assault is not even reported.
When is the last time any of you reported someone for throwing down an empty wrapper? Or someone that jaywalked?
Can you imagine the SA crime statistics if these crimes were also included?
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Its so sad that instead of trying to fight and survive here in South Africa these people would rather run away, the grass is not always greener on the other side te rest of the world are having similar problems too!!!!
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I don't think you understand what I meant. I didn't say everyone is NOT leaving, many are, including your buddy. But it's become an excuse for some sellers to flog houses they can't afford, and justifying it as "emigrating" as they don't want to be bargained down by prospective buyers. Once that sale goes through, they remain in SA albedit downgrading or renting. I have many friends in real estate, this comes from them. I've also seen it with other people in my street. Big hoohaa "selling home due to emigrating" only to see them again 6 months later in a shop, and hear that they are now in a plot/townhouse/renting somewhere.
It used to be the same in the used car market, hell even dealerships where emigrating at some stage
thats basically the point i was trying to make kim thanx. couldn't get it out in those words
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Kim, i beg to disagree.
Granted the entire world has problems, and there is no such thing as a paradise abroad, lots of SA's are struggling to cope after emigrating. But fact of the matter is that we have THE highest murder rate in the world. Places like Brazil, Colombia, Afghanistan and Iraq are considered as danger areas in terms of murder rate, fact is that those countries figures pale in comparison with ours. We have 50 + murders a day, violent robberies, attacks, rapes. Just open News24 on any given date, chances are that over 50% of the stories carried on the main page are about brutal murders of young/elderly, rapes, shootings, robberies, people slaughtered like pigs (entire families at that). When one loses someone close/family due to this, and you end up having to deal with the SAPS, trust me that is the fastest way to get a ticket and get the hell out of here.
I thank God that I don't have children yet, and the day that I do, I am out of here in a flash, it's simply not an environment condusive to raising a family, or planning for the future. Same goes for our political scene, we have a bunch of barking mad people that are rearing to take over from a bunch of corrupt, lazy and bloody useless politicians, and I think we are just heading for worse.
Realistically, what can you or I do to change this, when the majority of the population supports what is happening, there is no law and order and the authorities are not interested in doing anything about it? We can all become vigilante's, lets see how long before the SAPS locks us up - investigating the killing of a criminal takes 1st priority when it comes to their policies, since most of the politicians/active SAPS members come from a criminal background anyways.
I honestly can't think of one positive thing about SA other than the weather. Prices are quickly becoming on par with first world countries, maybe property is cheaper, granted. We have no safety & security, there is nothing in terms of jobs for white people, education and health has gone down the drain, the economy is quickly following suit.
If I have to risk my and my family's life, then I can rather go to Iraq and earn US$20k/ month, and guess what, my chances of getting killed are lower than in SA. Now thats irony.
IMHO, anyone that has the opportunity of bailing out now, and doesn't, will live to regret it. SA has still a long and downhill road before it will improve again, I would say 10-15 years at least.
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Its what your "girl child" did this morning when she went to university...
ROFLMAO
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+1.
Ps. 40% figure was what lew geffen said the market will come down with
eerrrmmm... that's prices he was talking about, not volumes.
+1.
Ps. 40% figure was what lew geffen said the market will come down with
i dont know so much, there was another article that claim it was mostly the upper end of the housing market that were selling for emigration, that would be the end of the market who arent too worried about interest rates. if they are now the majority of the activity in the market and emigration stats have doubles then the problem is even worse.
what would be best would be for someone to post the banks actual figures
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Yup. That large metallic tank looking thing ... quite comfy I hear, but over priced for what they are.
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What? In no western country will I be denied the right to ply my trade. In no other western country will I face the rather short odds of being attacked in my own home and denied any right to defend myself or my family. In no other western country will I be be cut up and threatened in traffic. In no other western country will I be threatened with physical violence simply because I am white by an ignoramus who can barely write his name.
Similar problems? Dream on. Problems yes, but surmountable. At the rate that SA is going those problems are insurmountable.
Please do me a favour and tell me why, with a masters degree in engineering I should bother to remain in a country that outright refuses me the opportunity to earn a decent crust. I'll give you an idea: in SA I spent two years and made over 250 applications for a job (after being made redundant). Result: only three replies and not ONE interview. In NZ, 30 applications, 15 interviews and 3 offers of employment. In SIX weeks. And NZ is a small country.
I am far from alone in experiencing this. I have seen highly skilled South Africans (I'm talking hundreds) return to SA with the usual emotive promises only to find after 6 months that they too cannot garner employment. They leave again and will never return
Kim, I don't know what you smoke but I suggest you cut back on it. It's affecting your judgement.
Yeah there is some truth to what you say. I edit a lot of the press releases for a couple of by property companies and I have seen the hash that the press can make of anything.
I am pretty sure that figure is not even 60% accurate
You are exaggerating. There are many places, mostly in the Western Cape, where the chances of the above misfortunes happening to you, are very very low.
Strange, my Inbox is overflowing with requests for interviews and job offers in Cape Town. That is for the IT industry. I also know many engineers in SA that are racking it in.
Are you aware that they work you to death in Western countries?
You have no time for nothing. Just work, work, and work. While paying a fortune on social taxes. With no friends, no family. Live in a small lousy flat like millions of others around you. Cramped public transport. People everywhere. Horrible weather. Soaring prices. Trust me, I've done it all.
And I suggest you gather a positive and optimistic attitude about SA. It will work wonders for your chances of getting a better life in SA.
Are you a South African or a South African't?
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Read more: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?...click_id=79&art_id=nw20080722175042996C148079
Kind of sad, but understandable
I'm making a point of it to see the world. Once I'm back from Brazil, I'm going to visit Australia and Europe... Things in SA are not good...
The black ideal of keeping africa for the blacks is bearing fruit. One way of doing this is chasing the white man away.