Whites leaving SA in droves

[Skinner]

Seems health care in NZ is not always free:
http://www.emigratenz.org/healthcare-migrants-newzealand.html

 

[Skinner]

Thank you Gerhard.

You know I'm getting a bit gatvol of these laaities that think they can sprout some kuk and we must all bow down in awe of their superior knowledge. The same people that say "If you leave you have no rights to criticise". What rubbish. The same people that tell me I should have adjusted my attitude after being unemployed for 2 years. What fascile little pimples. Have a look at "unemployment" on the stress gauge children. It rates up there with "death (self)".

Grow up children. It's a big world out there. Stop prostrating yourself at the alter of the govt (Nat or ANC) and start asking questions. Start thinking for yourself as opposed to sprouting the govt/HCR propoganda. Turiko and Skinner, you're just like the guys with whom I was at school , I avoided military service (crucial skills category) and they hated me at the time. But you know what? When they'd finished they all said I was right.

How come you laaities can sprout *** and I must defend (or in this case Gerhard)? Hmm?

I don't really get what point you are trying to make, try to summarise it concise in 1 sentence please!

 

[dlk001]

I don't really get what point you are trying to make, try to summarise it concise in 1 sentence please!

 

[Skinner]

FACT: SA has better weather than most other 1st world countries.

FACT: Most 1st world countries tax you sh**less.

FACT: Living costs and consumer costs are still cheaper in SA than most other 1st world countries.

FACT: You WILL get lonely at some point or other, after emmigrating.

FACT: Statistically your chances of being a victim of crime in SA, can be lowered depending on where you live and how you protect yourself.

FACT: You WILL have to work yourself to the bone in other countries.

FACT: Emmigration is very difficult and very expensive, even more so with a family.

FACT: Health Care is NOT for free in most 1st world countries. You either pay for it in your taxes (which are hell high, as mentioned) or monthly payments.

FACT: No-one cares about your fading culture in your new overseas country.

FACT: South Africans are generally regarded as know-littles and of relative low importance, in 1st world countries.

FACT: You will ABANDON your families in SA. And friends.

FACT: Visiting SA for holidays in future will become even more expensive, as flight prices skyrocket.

FACT: For some jobs, you can earn nearly the same money in SA as in a 1st world country.

FACT: You cannot vote in foreign countries until you become a citizen - which is difficult and takes years and years.

FACT: Culture shock is a reality in many foreign countries.

FACT: Beaurocracy is a nightmare in many 1st world countries. In SA, things are just so much simpler.

FACT: Your chances of being able to afford & own a house in a 1st world country, is even worse than in SA. House prices in 1st world countries are just total madness.

FACT: Likely you will have to live in some small flat for the first months (or years) of your life in your new foreign country.

FACT: Making friends in many 1st world countries is much more difficult than you think.

FACT: Petrol cost on average double, in 1st world countries, than what it costs in SA.

So, final FACT: Considering all of the above, SA might not be such a bad place to stay in. It's not like there is some criminal waiting behind every rock and bush to jump out and rip your guts out.

Are these enough FACTS?

 

[gerhardd]

FACT: SA has better weather than most other 1st world countries.

FACT: Most 1st world countries tax you sh**less.

(Snip more unsubstantiated so-called facts)

Are these enough FACTS?

LOL. Well, whatever dude. I am not even going to go through each item in your list, these are not facts at all, merely your own opinion of how things are. I am now done with this thread, it serves no purpose. Those who wish to go, will go, and those who wish to stay, will stay. In the end we all do what is right for us. However, I know I will be better off where I am going. For you, it is better to stay. So be it! So, here is a firm handshake to you, and a hearty goodbye! I am off to book my flight tickets out of here!

 

[Skinner]

LOL. Well, whatever dude. I am not even going to go through each item in your list, these are not facts at all, merely your own opinion of how things are. I am now done with this thread, it serves no purpose. Those who wish to go, will go, and those who wish to stay, will stay. In the end we all do what is right for us. However, I know I will be better off where I am going. For you, it is better to stay. So be it! So, here is a firm handshake to you, and a hearty goodbye! I am off to book my flight tickets out of here!

(firm handshake back)
Goodbye Gerhard, I wish you all of the best of luck with your new life overseas!

 

[sand_man]

Considering all of the above, SA might not be such a bad place to stay in. It's not like there is some criminal waiting behind every rock and bush to jump out and rip your guts out.

What have you done with Skinner??!!!

 

[EtienneK]

Skinner, you forgot one:

FACT: In South Africa you have to tighten your belt!

 

[Paulr]

LOL!!

 

[Frankie]

LOL. Well, whatever dude. I am not even going to go through each item in your list, these are not facts at all, merely your own opinion of how things are. I am now done with this thread, it serves no purpose. Those who wish to go, will go, and those who wish to stay, will stay. In the end we all do what is right for us. However, I know I will be better off where I am going. For you, it is better to stay. So be it! So, here is a firm handshake to you, and a hearty goodbye! I am off to book my flight tickets out of here!

Wise move.
Best not waste your time and energy with the immature troll.

 

[Fudzy]

This thread proves as proof that there are a lot of MyBB members on heavy bi-polar meds.

 

[sludge]

This thread proves as proof that there are a lot of MyBB members on heavy bi-polar meds.

I think one of them is neglecting to take said meds

 

[Vrotappel]

FACT - Skinner's post #144 proves that some village is missing its idiot (skinner go back they are missing you!).

 

[MacNabs]

FACT: Your chances of being able to afford & own a house in a 1st world country, is even worse than in SA. House prices in 1st world countries are just total madness.

FACT: Likely you will have to live in some small flat for the first months (or years) of your life in your new foreign country.

FACT: Making friends in many 1st world countries is much more difficult than you think.

FACT: New Zealand dropped interest rates yesterday! NZ house prices are not much more expensive than houses in CT, even when converting the Rand. The further out of town you go, the cheaper the houses get. I live 50km out of town and catch the train to work everyday, where I live you could buy a house (that may need some work) on an acre of land, for under $320k.

FACT: I live in a large 3 bedroom house, on a nice size property! I don't own it, but still own my house in Cape Town.

FACT: We live amongst South Africans in our neighborhood here in NZ, making friends is easy. We braai nearly twice a month, kids run down the road go playing at the park, riding bicycles together, making plenty of kiwi friends. I have many kiwi friends too, they not stuck up like us South African's. They never judge you and accept you for who you are. Even if there were no Saffas here, would would have still made plenty of friends!

FACT: Half of out friends/family in SA have emigrated too, some are in the process, so even if we went back to SA we will still be missing them.

 

[onebrickshort]

FACT: New Zealand dropped interest rates yesterday! NZ house prices are not much more expensive than houses in CT, even when converting the Rand. The further out of town you go, the cheaper the houses get. I live 50km out of town and catch the train to work everyday, where I live you could buy a house (that may need some work) on an acre of land, for under $320k.

FACT: I live in a large 3 bedroom house, on a nice size property! I don't own it, but still own my house in Cape Town.

FACT: We live amongst South Africans in our neighborhood here in NZ, making friends is easy. We braai nearly twice a month, kids run down the road go playing at the park, riding bicycles together, making plenty of kiwi friends. I have many kiwi friends too, they not stuck up like us South African's. They never judge you and accept you for who you are. Even if there were no Saffas here, would would have still made plenty of friends!

FACT: Half of out friends/family in SA have emigrated too, some are in the process, so even if we went back to SA we will still be missing them.

Good for You Mcnab. *Claps Politely*.
Just leave the rest of us to get on with living in SA will you.
Most of us couldn't give a rat's arse about NZ. Heck , I've Kiwi Friends who've fled NZ out of sheer boredom

 

[Skinner]

FACT: New Zealand dropped interest rates yesterday! NZ house prices are not much more expensive than houses in CT, even when converting the Rand. The further out of town you go, the cheaper the houses get. I live 50km out of town and catch the train to work everyday, where I live you could buy a house (that may need some work) on an acre of land, for under $320k.

That's a cool R1.8m at a residential mortgage interest rate of say 10.75%. Doesn't sound much better than SA, does it?
Oh, and please do give us some house prices for inside the cities. Or I can google some if you like.
I'd just like to quantify your "NZ house prices are not much more expensive than houses in CT", you know.

Two last questions, MacNabs.

1) What did it cost you to emmigrate to NZ? The whole shebang?

2) What do you regard as the most fun thing(s) you do in NZ?

Two tough questions maybe, but I'd love the answers.

 

[marine1]

Good for You Mcnab. *Claps Politely*.
Just leave the rest of us to get on with living in SA will you.
Most of us couldn't give a rat's arse about NZ. Heck , I've Kiwi Friends who've fled NZ out of sheer boredom

And MOST OF us could give a rats arse, so if you have nothing constructive to add, rather dont say anything.

 

[MacNabs]

Good for You Mcnab. *Claps Politely*.
Just leave the rest of us to get on with living in SA will you.
Most of us couldn't give a rat's arse about NZ. Heck , I've Kiwi Friends who've fled NZ out of sheer boredom

This thread is about people leaving SA in droves! If you don’t want to take part of the conversation in it, ignore it. What do you want us to talk about in this thread? The weather? braaivleis? Castle Lager? Biltong?

Most of the people in this forum do actually give a rats arse, all the PM’s I get from people interested in moving to NZ proves it. Also the amount of posts/ threads that keep popping up here these days about emigration/people leaving the country etc… also proves it.

Would love to hear about your kiwi friends that left NZ? Bet they did not head off to sunny SA, well at least not permanently? I had to get some documents signed here the other day, the only place where they could do it was at an SA embassy. I found out that there is no SA embassy in NZ, which proves my point. Kiwis are not interested in moving to SA, to this day I have never even heard of a single one.

That's a cool R1.8m at a residential mortgage interest rate of say 10.75%. Doesn't sound much better than SA, does it?
Oh, and please do give us some house prices for inside the cities. Or I can google some if you like.
I'd just like to quantify your "NZ house prices are not much more expensive than houses in CT", you know.

Two last questions, MacNabs.

1) What did it cost you to emmigrate to NZ? The whole shebang?

2) What do you regard as the most fun thing(s) you do in NZ?

Two tough questions maybe, but I'd love the answers.

Tough questions? Skinner, firstly why would you want to live inside the city? Obviously the houses are more expensive like everywhere else in the world (except JHB) Try the lower 9% mark for the NZ home interest rate. And through my company I can probably get around 8.5%. Again your comparisons with SA fall very short, SA is now at around 15%? The difference in interest rates alone between SA/NZ, taking into account the monthly levies on some places in SA, security etc, actually make them very comparable in price. I am no financial guru, but I am pretty sure that the amount you end up paying after interest between a house here in NZ (8.5%) and one in SA (15% and rising all the time) works out to be quiet a lot of money, you probably end up paying far more for a R1.8m house in SA than a $300k or maybe even a $400k house here in NZ.

If you want to look at house prices, go to www.trademe.co.nz, the property market here is also in a slump at the moment, because of the “very high” interest rates, so it’s really a buyers market and there are plenty of bargains out there. The place I was referring to was on an acre of land. Hardly comparable with some townhouse in Randburg behind large brick walls and electric fencing, right on top of your neighbour, on a 350square meter postage stamp piece of ground. No stupid levies to pay either (+/- R700pm?), and no armed response (+/- R300pm?)!! No worrying about parking the car in the road, removing the radio every night, making sure your alarm is active and the car is locked, no more of that rubbish. Take all those factors into account and I am pretty sure that houses here can be compared.

1) What did it cost: A lot of money no lies, fortunately for me company paid for our container, flights, accommodation until we found a rental etc... But the figures are about as follows:

- Flights: about R12k per person
- Container: R30k
- Getting our dog over, R50k (including kennelling, flights and quarantine). Could not leave him behind, he protected us many times! 
- Then there are the costs of your permanent residence (+/- $4000), money well spent in my opinion. But if you on a 3year working visa, you do not need to apply for this immediately.

2) What do you regard as the most fun thing(s) you do in NZ?

Kayaking, cycling, hiking, camping, exploring the Islands, braai’ng, the list is endless. There is so much to do here, NZ may be a small country but it offers so much. Sure it does not offer big shopping malls like SA, but a simple trip to the city and you have a shopper’s paradise. (I hate shopping centres anyhow). Have not been skiing yet, we planning on going soon before the summer starts.

The real things I miss about SA are family and friends, that is the hardest part of emigrating, there is no denying that fact. Coming to NZ there has not really been any culture shock as the countries are the same in so many respects. NZ has its problems too like everywhere else, the problems in SA at the moment are extreme and not comparable. Once you have been living in a normal society for a while, you start asking yourself how on earth you managed to live there. You also start feeling remorse towards the government for allowing things to get to what they are today, in a way forcing you out of the country of your birth. Emigration is by no means easy.

 

[alloytoo]

FACT: SA has better weather than most other 1st world countries.

Fact: SA has a wide range of weather conditions, some of it good, some of it bad. This applies to many countries.

FACT: Most 1st world countries tax you sh**less.

Fact: So does SA. Our marginal tax rate is 40%, Vat, fuel & banking levies, import duties.....

FACT: Living costs and consumer costs are still cheaper in SA than most other 1st world countries.

Not when you factor in state benefits, and the benefits of reliable public transport systems

FACT: You WILL get lonely at some point or other, after emmigrating.

Fact: Most of my friends are waiting for me.

FACT: Statistically your chances of being a victim of crime in SA, can be lowered depending on where you live and how you protect yourself.

Fact: That's what you're supposed to pay taxes for.
Fact2: Even if you do all those things the odds of being effected by crime are still astronomically higher than in other places.

FACT: You WILL have to work yourself to the bone in other countries.

Fact: My mate worked 7 days a week in SA. Now he works 5 and can afford to take unpaid leave to travel.

FACT: Emmigration is very difficult and very expensive, even more so with a family.

This is true, finanicial recovery usually takes 2 years, however Stress levels decline in a couple of weeks.

FACT: Health Care is NOT for free in most 1st world countries. You either pay for it in your taxes (which are hell high, as mentioned) or monthly payments.

Fact: health care is not free in SA, you pay for it in your taxes, which are hellishly high and then again for private health care if you actually want to survive the trip to the hospital.

FACT: No-one cares about your fading culture in your new overseas country.

Fact: No-One cares about my fading culture here.

FACT: South Africans are generally regarded as know-littles and of relative low importance, in 1st world countries.

Fact: They're generally regarded as hard workers if they keep their ego's in check.

FACT: You will ABANDON your families in SA. And friends.

Fact: You will be opening opportunities for them.

FACT: Visiting SA for holidays in future will become even more expensive, as flight prices skyrocket.

Fact: it will become a nice cheap destination as the rand declines. (But really who wants to visit here again?)

FACT: For some jobs, you can earn nearly the same money in SA as in a 1st world country.

Fact: You can earn that money in a first world country with less chance of being hijacked en route to said job.

FACT: You cannot vote in foreign countries until you become a citizen - which is difficult and takes years and years.

Fact: You are wrong. (Not withstanding, your vote's worth bugger all here anyway)

FACT: Culture shock is a reality in many foreign countries.

Fact: Not if you choose your destination wisely.

FACT: Beaurocracy is a nightmare in many 1st world countries. In SA, things are just so much simpler.

Fact: you haven't visited home affairs lately. (oh and by simpler you mean bribable)

FACT: Your chances of being able to afford & own a house in a 1st world country, is even worse than in SA. House prices in 1st world countries are just total madness.

Fact: the chances are about the same, perhaps better if you factor in the lower overall cost of living.

FACT: Likely you will have to live in some small flat for the first months (or years) of your life in your new foreign country.

As apposed to? A shack?

FACT: Making friends in many 1st world countries is much more difficult than you think.

Nah, it's more difficult for you, I have friends all over the world.

FACT: Petrol cost on average double, in 1st world countries, than what it costs in SA.

It's called public transport, safe, reliable. notwithstanding that the actual cost of your vehicle is a fraction of what it is here.

So, final FACT: Considering all of the above, SA might not be such a bad place to stay in. It's not like there is some criminal waiting behind every rock and bush to jump out and rip your guts out.

So lets recap, we pay the same, if not more tax, we get less state services, we run higher risks of theft, rape and murder, and the chief of police is part of organised crime. My culture is being consistantly eroded, and I'm subject to creeping poverty and economic exclusion as I try to maintain my standard of living. Indeed, a veritable paradise.

Are these enough FACTS?

Most of your facts demonstate your ignorance. The remainder demonstrate your personality.

I've had the privilage of examining two immigration stories. Both to the same destination.

One chap was full of S, and the other is a far more humble bloke.

The 'full of S' chap complains that it's hard and that no one helped him etc etc.

The humble bloke said people were falling over themselves to help him.


Neither are coming back.

 

[alloytoo]

Most of the people in this forum do actually give a rats arse, all the PM’s I get from people interested in moving to NZ proves it. Also the amount of posts/ threads that keep popping up here these days about emigration/people leaving the country etc… also proves it.

On that vein, I'm in Auckland next month, what job offers?