Whites no longer welcome in South Africa

[RichardP]

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I agree with the Safety Minister... if you dont like SA, then leave. Everyone is entitiled to air their view - thats part of the constitution.
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[Debbie]

Why not question some other posters agenda's too! Angelo, Rwenzori, Tibby and a few others thats always breaking down these debates regards to safety and security to racist lines by calling them posters right wingers and all other crap.

Well, coming from an obviously long-time member, I wouldn't hold your opinion too highly given that you've had to disguise your other nick/s.

 

[NewsFlash]

Well, coming from an obviously long-time member, I wouldn't hold your opinion too highly given that you've had to disguise your other nick/s.

Not too long here but.. Well maybe I am not as old as you are but I have done some reading on this forum the last few days. I can clearly see who is on which side of the divide. I does not take much to read in the lines like this thread by Angelo.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=60664 Who's who in the DA zoo

This is clearly political in that he wants to discredit the DA. So how is this different from Confederados or Canadian

 

[w1z4rd]

Not too long here but.. Well maybe I am not as old as you are but I have done some reading on this forum the last few days. I can clearly see who is on which side of the divide. I does not take much to read in the lines like this thread by Angelo.

Sure bud Want to pull another one?

 

[NewsFlash]

Sure bud Want to pull another one?

No already pulling mine, cannot handle another at the same time (and I am not gay)

 

[w1z4rd]

Where does this Confederad00s dredge this stuff up from?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

 

[Vrotappel]

<flame suit>
I agree with the Safety Minister... if you dont like SA, then leave. Everyone is entitiled to air their view - thats part of the constitution.
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Yeah and the useless safety wannabe minister can go frak himself if he does not like my whining. Incompetence personified. Luckily their arrogance will be their downfall.

 

[jontyB]

Not too long here but.. Well maybe I am not as old as you are but I have done some reading on this forum the last few days. I can clearly see who is on which side of the divide. I does not take much to read in the lines like this thread by Angelo.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=60664 Who's who in the DA zoo

This is clearly political in that he wants to discredit the DA. So how is this different from Confederados or Canadian

Angelo has been trying to discredit everything non ANC. He's even had a go at Zackie Achmat (called him "this Achmat" and was rather condescending). I certainly do not take his oft racist opinion as the basis of the intelligent masses in SA. In any event, he is usually silenced within one or two posts (he hardly ever responds to direct questions, which in itself is the typical Internet Troll trademark). Confederados is not even a South African. He has been dishing out white trash racism since he started here, and quite frankly, SA has enough of those around. In fact, a couple have have left this forum (one of whom was banned recently) as their posts became rather embarrasing and damaging. I don't know what iamcanadian is doing here, except that he seems to be trying to justify his leaving the country.

In any case, the political landscape in South Africa is so complex and so divided that the debates and arguments we've been seeing here are perfectly indicative of the reality of our situation.

For the record, I think many of us want to stay in SA, even though we may be negative about certain aspects of this country, we do love the country and we do have a right to be here.

 

[Nokkie]

thats so tru

 

[DigitalSoldier]

It has been 12 years now since the ex-European South Africans voluntarily handed over power to the black majority, and still there is no end in sight to the moral criminalization of all things white. And there will never be!

I didnt even bother reading this thread just saw that and all I can say is WTF ??

 

[The Confederados]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

I believe it was on here... http://www.southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Why not question some other posters agenda's too! Angelo, Rwenzori, Tibby and a few others thats always breaking down these debates regards to safety and security to racist lines by calling them posters right wingers and all other crap.

Not too long here but.. Well maybe I am not as old as you are but I have done some reading on this forum the last few days. I can clearly see who is on which side of the divide. I does not take much to read in the lines like this thread by Angelo.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=60664 Who's who in the DA zoo

This is clearly political in that he wants to discredit the DA. So how is this different from Confederados or Canadian

They are citizens of the country and as such have a right to their opinion. Pupa (now banned) had a right to his opinion as well. Hell even tourists have a right to an opinion.

But somebody who admits to never being here has no damn right to slander it. IAmCanadian left before the democratic elections and all he has to go by now are stories on news websites. While he's not as bad as Confederados, I think it's still a little unfair of him not to reserve judgement until visiting post-democracy.

If you want to defend these people, then take the time to learn about their posting history first. They've contributed absolutely squat to the rest of the site apart from anti-SA sentiments.

 

[NewsFlash]

While he's not as bad as Confederados, I think it's still a little unfair of him not to reserve judgement until visiting post-democracy.
If you want to defend these people, then take the time to learn about their posting history first. They've contributed absolutely squat to the rest of the site apart from anti-SA sentiments.

And get hijacked, robbed or raped for the trouble of visiting the country.
I am not defending them, they can do it themselves. So where does that put me? I am not anti SA but anti the current situation and already lambasted for some of my comments. Seem to me that some South Africans cannot take or do not want to hear the truths. Live in denial. I just stated if Angelo is allowed to do what he does best ( Maybe that all he can do) then so can others. Whether they are really in Canada is another question altogether

 

[Skeptik]

It looks like the intent of the poster is to cause a greater racial divide than what we already currently have. People like him (be they black or white), keep bringing up race issues so they can keep making it an issue.

In their own strange realities, this makes sense to them.

This is exacly what Mbeki and his cronies do all the time. They bring up the race issue to remind voters of apartheid and the 'glory days' of the struggle.

They are citizens of the country and as such have a right to their opinion. Pupa (now banned) had a right to his opinion as well. Hell even tourists have a right to an opinion.

But somebody who admits to never being here has no damn right to slander it. IAmCanadian left before the democratic elections and all he has to go by now are stories on news websites. While he's not as bad as Confederados, I think it's still a little unfair of him not to reserve judgement until visiting post-democracy.

If you want to defend these people, then take the time to learn about their posting history first. They've contributed absolutely squat to the rest of the site apart from anti-SA sentiments.

So under apartheid South Africa, nobody had the right to slander the country until they had visited?

Why do you criticise him for leaving the apartheid regime? In other spheres that would be seen as a good thing. If he had stayed, gone to the arny and shot at some children in the townships, then you\we would have had some more things to throw at him right?

 

[Debbie]

This is exacly what Mbeki and his cronies do all the time. They bring up the race issue to remind voters of apartheid and the 'glory days' of the struggle.

An often-used tactic in Africa by the dominating party/'liberation' party, especially useful in helping to entrench (de facto) one party-dominance. It definitely is something to worry about when 'the struggle' becomes over-mythologised.

So under apartheid South Africa, nobody had the right to slander the country until they had visited? Why do you criticise him for leaving the apartheid regime? In other spheres that would be seen as a good thing. If he had stayed, gone to the arny and shot at some children in the townships, then you\we would have had some more things to throw at him right?

Skeptic he is being criticised on the weight of all his posts, not what he says here in particular.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Skeptic I tried to word that post carefully, please don't take me out of context. The slander part referred to Confederados, and I wasn't criticising the Candaian for leaving under the apartheid regime, but since he hasn't returned since democracy I think that maybe he should reserve judgement until he visits again.

And yes I wouldn't speak crap about any country unless I've actually been there. The idea is just retarded, and one of the reasons why Americans are so close-minded regarding the rest of the world.

 

[Skeptik]

An often-used tactic in Africa by the dominating party/'liberation' party, especially useful in helping to entrench (de facto) one party-dominance. It definitely is something to worry about when 'the struggle' becomes over-mythologised.

Too true. And just to add that these myths are often portrayed from one side only.

Skeptic he is being criticised on the weight of all his posts, not what he says here in particular.

This sort of logic makes me uneasy. For example I know Angelo says things that I find contrary, even given the facts. That is not to say that his next post will be just as illogical. Therefore I choose to react to what he says now and at face value, not necessarily dismiss his comments based on his previous ones. Rather like giving someone an infraction for doing something petty using the reasoning that "he did it before so I'm more inclined now to sanction again".

 

[Debbie]

This sort of logic makes me uneasy. For example I know Angelo says things that I find contrary, even given the facts. That is not to say that his next post will be just as illogical. Therefore I choose to react to what he says now and at face value, not necessarily dismiss his comments based on his previous ones. Rather like giving someone an infraction for doing something petty using the reasoning that "he did it before so I'm more inclined now to sanction again".

I hear what you say Skeptic.

I think people just get annoyed when there is no general differentiation between posts made by a single member. If I came and repeatedly posted threads about, I dunno, dogs and only ever dogs, then I'm sure others would get a bit annoyed.

 

[Nick333]

Too true. And just to add that these myths are often portrayed from one side only.


This sort of logic makes me uneasy. For example I know Angelo says things that I find contrary, even given the facts. That is not to say that his next post will be just as illogical. Therefore I choose to react to what he says now and at face value, not necessarily dismiss his comments based on his previous ones. Rather like giving someone an infraction for doing something petty using the reasoning that "he did it before so I'm more inclined now to sanction again".

I'm not a fan of censorship myself, but you've got to view the issue from the perspective that myadsl isn't a general news site. Its has a fairly specific purpose and while the general/off topic forums are good fun, I think it would be wrong to allow them to set the tone for the rest of the site.
I think its fair to say that while the majority of members of myadsl have widely differing views on politics, religion etc, the one thing we have in common is a concern for the state of telecommunications in South Africa.
So when someone comes along who seems to have no interest in the state of South African telecommunications, who makes no bones about his dislike for people of other races and his disdain for our country and continent then we have to wonder why he should be offered a soap box from which to espouse his extremist agenda here.
It's difficult to decide where the line should be drawn but I'm increasingly of the opinion that Confederados is it.
Angelo at least gives us a authentic South African perspective.

 

[Skeptik]

I'm not a fan of censorship myself, but you've got to view the issue from the perspective that myadsl isn't a general news site. Its has a fairly specific purpose and while the general/off topic forums are good fun, I think it would be wrong to allow them to set the tone for the rest of the site.
I think its fair to say that while the majority of members of myadsl have widely differing views on politics, religion etc, the one thing we have in common is a concern for the state of telecommunications in South Africa.
So when someone comes along who seems to have no interest in the state of South African telecommunications, who makes no bones about his dislike for people of other races and his disdain for our country and continent then we have to wonder why he should be offered a soap box from which to espouse his extremist agenda here.
It's difficult to decide where the line should be drawn but I'm increasingly of the opinion that Confederados is it.
Angelo at least gives us a authentic South African perspective.

I agree to a certain extent, but it would be hard for anyone outside the country to have an opinion on the telecommunications industry here. (Unless they were talking about how expensive international calls were of course ) Would you advocate disallowing anyone with a foreign IP on that basis?

Also, Confederados commands an audience. Many of his threads run to 3 or 4 pages. Why on earth do people look and contribute to the threads if they find them so obnoxious? There is always the ignore button for comments in threads he didn't start.

We are assuming he has an agenda. Some of his POV are extreme. But they also produce extreme opinions from other forumites. Is one, the "authentic SA one" more palatable?

One thing I've noticed about local forums is how intolerant they are. Certainly over-moderated in many ways. The US ones seem to be self-policing. For example if you have an extreme view, then sure enough some high-post veterans will flame you to dust. Some very inflamatory things are written, yet no mod comes along to preserve sensibilities by deleting/banning/censoring. People with weak dispositions just pick another thread or topic, it's easy. There are no untouchables like the Network Reps on here. If anyone tries to spout BS, unsusbstantiated facts or market their company, they are given short-shrift by the forumites. You can ask as deep and penetrating questions as you like without fear. No moderator offers permanent protection to them. It's a different world - perhaps we can learn from it.