Whites no longer welcome in South Africa

[Skeptik]

I found another forum, which seems new... http://www.southafrica.com/forums/

I think it's time for me to criticize over there , stupid liberals need to know their place.

Edit: Look at this garbage... http://www.southafrica.com/forums/south-african-politics/5824-africa-belongs-black-people.html

I had a quick look. It seems just your cup of tea

 

[Debbie]

I agree to a certain extent, but it would be hard for anyone outside the country to have an opinion on the telecommunications industry here. (Unless they were talking about how expensive international calls were of course ) Would you advocate disallowing anyone with a foreign IP on that basis?

Also, Confederados commands an audience. Many of his threads run to 3 or 4 pages. Why on earth do people look and contribute to the threads if they find them so obnoxious? There is always the ignore button for comments in threads he didn't start.

We are assuming he has an agenda. Some of his POV are extreme. But they also produce extreme opinions from other forumites. Is one, the "authentic SA one" more palatable?

Well-reasoned Skeptic and good points....but again I would say it's not what he says but the frequency with which he says it, and the fact that he says such things to the exclusion of every other topic of discussion in the universe. Most people don't have a problem with several anti-SA/race/crime/'bad news' threads a week, but they do have a problem when it gets to the point where it's several such threads a day, all posted by the same member- especially on topics which ultimately turn to 'race' argument.

One thing I've noticed about local forums is how intolerant they are. Certainly over-moderated in many ways. The US ones seem to be self-policing. For example if you have an extreme view, then sure enough some high-post veterans will flame you to dust. Some very inflamatory things are written, yet no mod comes along to preserve sensibilities by deleting/banning/censoring. People with weak dispositions just pick another thread or topic, it's easy. There are no untouchables like the Network Reps on here. If anyone tries to spout BS, unsusbstantiated facts or market their company, they are given short-shrift by the forumites. You can ask as deep and penetrating questions as you like without fear. No moderator offers permanent protection to them. It's a different world - perhaps we can learn from it.

Skeptic, in all fairness, MyADSL has goals outside of simply providing a space for people to talk (goals like cheaper prices and more widely distributed services! more responsive telecoms companies!).

I do not disagree with what you say here, but I do think that the overall context in which MyADSL exists makes for the need for a different moderation approach.

 

[w1z4rd]

Also, Confederados commands an audience. Many of his threads run to 3 or 4 pages. Why on earth do people look and contribute to the threads if they find them so obnoxious? There is always the ignore button for comments in threads he didn't start.

People like him have distorted the truth to suite their own warped realities for to long. People respond to his posts to put them in perspective and balance them out.

Myadsl.co.za often comes up in google results. Imagine if someone foreign came across one of his posts and actually thought he represented something here in South Africa.

Our responses give us the ability to inform people about any type of misinformation that is being presented.

 

[IamCanadian]

I found another forum, which seems new... http://www.southafrica.com/forums/

I think it's time for me to criticize over there , stupid liberals need to know their place.

Edit: Look at this garbage... http://www.southafrica.com/forums/south-african-politics/5824-africa-belongs-black-people.html

Confederados,

You are a racist of the highest level. I am far from being a liberal and I disagree with many of their views because many liberal views are indeed destructive. But I have to say that that your extreme views are not common amongst the majority of Americans.

Also most South Africans,black and white, do not share your views. Most Canadians do not share your views. You are free to have an opinion but you should be careful when voicing it out. Humanity has enough problems without your views creating more havoc.

You do not love your neighbor.

 

[LabAnimal]

*yawn* ... you know - i read the first bit from the top, and the posts that followed... got about as far as when Debbie had her say...

Yea them dark fella's call us racists whenever they don't get their way... - WHATEVER blows their hair back!.

Yea us white fella's get our nickers in a knot we can't have our "I'm White and Proud" bumper stickers - Really now - Who gives a cr#p.

Can't say i agree with that nonsense that was posted, but what i have done is : Smacked a huge BIG F A T rainbow gayflag sticker on my bumper with the letters printed in black and white - WE ARE FAMILY

This country is big enough for everybody who wants to be here - Its only as bad as you make it!

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Well, I finally agree with IAmCanadian on something Apart from the liberal thing, that's a matter of opinion, but thumbs up to you dude.

 

[NewsFlash]

People like him have distorted the truth to suite their own warped realities for to long. People respond to his posts to put them in perspective and balance them out.

Myadsl.co.za often comes up in google results. Imagine if someone foreign came across one of his posts and actually thought he represented something here in South Africa.

Our responses give us the ability to inform people about any type of misinformation that is being presented.

Please highlite the "misinformation". Maybe I missed some. Saw many truths IMHO. Like the high crime and safety issues. The recent Durbs beach rape is point and case, only two weeks after the police leaders promised save passage for holidaymakers and foreign visitors.

 

[edc]

<flame suit>
I agree with the Safety Minister... if you dont like SA, then leave. Everyone is entitiled to air their view - thats part of the constitution.
</flame suit>

where can we go? sure there are ways and means but no country is accepting us as refugees, which is how we should be accepted. i don't like south-africa at all, thats why i am actively trying to change it. mandela and the anc members changed this country for the better, its time the DP gets a mandela to save this country. given the current state of things, i dont see a good future here, looking back at what history has shown. i dont believe the fundementals are strong in sa, education and the drive to work hard and humanity, is lacking in the younger generations, not to even mention crime, hate, curruption and so forth.

 

[w1z4rd]

I mean look at the president that they elected...

Strange for you to use the word "they", and not "we". Not your country?

 

[w1z4rd]

I was not old enough to vote then, so I can't be included. [My only understanding as to why the Republican Party got voted in was because compared to the Democratic Party it's the lesser of the two evils.

Um no.

Please highlite the "misinformation"

Hey Newsflash! this is the misinformation I talk about.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

I was not old enough to vote then

Explains alot.

 

[w1z4rd]

There isn't any misinformation in what I've said... I think that both parties suck, we are a two party state with both parties being almost and exact copy of each other. Let me give you an example: illegal immigration. Republicans want illegal immigrants because they are for big business and big business wants them for cheap labor. The Democrats want the illegal immigrants for minority vote, see what I'm saying? The only difference is that Republicans try to catch the conservative vote and do handle "some" issues in a conservative way.

Okay, so let me get this straight. Side A, wants the people to exploit, and Side B wants the people to empower them to garner their support. Yet you see Side A and Side B having the same morality ground. Does that sound right to you?

You then tell me that people vote conservative because they handle things conservatively. From what I understand, conservatives like things the way they are now. Which happens to include poverty, corruption, crime, war, CFC`s, injustice, murder and global warming (to name a few).

I think things need to change. A real real lot.

 

[edc]

How so? From my understanding, the majority of the problems came from them...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc

if we continued with apartheid and extreme right wing racism upto 2006 our economy wouldve been in ruins, we might have been over-run by a hostile, powerfull force like america,given our natural resources. an isolated country, cuba, north korea and the like, can not prosper in the long run.

the anc has noble goals, i agree with them, but not what they are doing to achieve it, afirmitive action, black empowerment. those actions only make the rich poor, the poor even more so, and the currupt officials stinking rich.

the anc should concentrate on fundamentals, crime, education, health, once those elements are in place the rest of the country would reach an equilibrium. 90% of the 4% of rsa residents paying tax are white, once we are poor because of aa and black empowerment deals, the country will be brought to its knees, especailly with 1/5 of the white population gone to other countries, where soon they will become residents and stop paying taxes to the rsa government.

the 90% and 4% is from memory, i dont know a link to substanciate it, please correct or confirm what i said.

 

[NewsFlash]

Um no.


Hey Newsflash! this is the misinformation I talk about.

What? The Canadian system! They have a "good" system but their older emigrants is more acceptable to me than the true Canadian himself, but at least bearable

 

[w1z4rd]

Side A is about people with money, Republican party use to always be known as being for the rich (historically), thus why they support big business. Side B use to be about "the working man" but has changed its stance in the 1960s and is not even close to the party it use to be. Side B just wants more votes so it can compete with Side A, this is why we have gerrymandering and all the other crap. So we got one side for the rich, and one side for the minorities, where's the middle ground

You are using half truths here. The republican party used to be the "liberal" party. It was Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves. The democratic party used to be the conservatives. As you mentioned, this changed in the 1950`s and 1960`s (large labour movements).

So what you are telling me about the Republican party, is that its for people with money? So its a political party based on greed. The same greed that leads to the exploitation of the minorities the democrats are trying to support. Its strange when you say the democrats support minorities, when rich white men are smallest minority of them all, and whom you pointed out, are what the Republican base is made of.

In my home state of Missouri, the liberal democrat running for governing was always seen in black areas, oh helping the black man blah, blah, blah, showing how liberal she was, yeah she lost.

Honest question. Do you know what the world liberal means?

Eh, , I guess you think neo-conservative means conservative.

Nope, I do not think I do.

Of course, the liberals have destroyed a perfectly good country and now we have to fix a real real lot.

Please let me know your definition of the word "liberal". As comprehensive as you can make it please.

For someone who seems to know little about his own political parties and who has not voted, you seem to know a lot about "NATs" and the South African political structure and history...

How so? If you just ignored the west and carried on your marry old ways, the west wouldn't of done crap. So they put embargoes on you and had liberal Hollywood condemning you, so what, who cares. Trade with China, India, Israel and the Middle East. The west is all talk, you guys had nuclear weapons, could of told them to shut their pie holes.

Some more South African history.... I think you are the first American kid (who has not voted), who shows more aptitude for apartheid politics than current politics... that I have ever met. Why am I skeptical?

 

[edc]

you wouldve died in a hospital without antibiotics, had we been stubborn till 2006, sanctions wouldve killed our little white population. nuclear? great!! how would we deliver a nuclear payload all the way to america? oh we cant, thats right.. but its fun to say nuclear because it rolls off the tongue and sounds impressive. chances are we wouldve been invaded by neighboring countries, even the west, no matter what the outcome, a war ravishes a country.

the NP had to be disposed of, the anc needs to get their act together and the DP needs a hero.

the anc coming to power was a matter of time, unstopable. not even britain managed to cling onto their colonies. unlike the rest of africa the anc did not drive all the whites out once they reached their power, but they are doing it slowly. i dont condemn their actions as such, but being white myself i feel that my very existance is threatend and therefore i react to them and to defend myself, i need to find security somewhere. that motivates me to fight for my rights. you are trying to incite anger and get the people of this forum emotional, rather inform them of the current situation and to present a solution we can all follow to change south africa, to a country where being white is not a disatvantage and doesnt paint a target on your back. we are all aware that like in pre world-war germany, being a jew was a problem, being white is to our disatvantage. all south-africans are aware of situation and facts you presented, dont distort them though to suit your agenda.

my question to you is how do we change this county to a place where we can live peacefully, with the knowledge and security it brings that we are safe from the current government activities?

you dont know enough about rwanda to have an opinion. so i wont answer you.

 

[NewsFlash]

Segregation, it's apparent that no one gets along and never will unless forced (called the balkanization effect). This mean each ethnic group deserves self-determination to govern their own people, and their own land which they can call their homeland. Boers/English get their own republic, so do the Xhosa, Zulus, Coloureds etc. Unite these self-governing states into a confederation and kaboom, you have a Switzerland.

You could be taken for an Neo Nazi! I cannot believe it is not possible for different groups to live and work together like in Canada or New Zealand. There must be some hope for South Africa, at least.

 

[GavinMannion]

Man I wished I had found this thread earlier, I presume it's the one that finally got him banned... All the juicy posts are now gone...

I want to know what's wrong with switzerland from the above quote? I thought everyone liked the Swiss?