Who lives in an estate where random searches / biometrics / license scans happen?

[supersunbird]

secure estate

If they allow one to secure your own place properly too, then that is idea. It's all about security layers.

 

[Lord Farquart]

That's the same retarded argument the morons use against nsa spying. Don't be dumb.

**** you too. I bought into the concept of this estate. We are crime free because of the concept and measures implemented. If you do not want to be subjected to the measures, then go visit someone else, or go meet up at Boksburg Fleamarket.

 

[Werfetter]

It seems this provokes lots of emotion & very little sense.

Our estate has biometric access.

Residents access & egress via fingerprint scanner. For those whose fingerprints do not scan they are given a card. Card needs to be validated every 30 days.

Tenants are included as residents, however prior to any property owner accepting a tenant the tenant has to be vetted by the managing agent to check for criminal record, outstanding warrants, debt judgements etc.

All visitors have their vehicle license scanned & drivers license or ID card scanned. The scanner is an "intelligent scanner" & displays vehicle details (so a stolen license disc won't work - arrive in a Fortuner with a license disc for a Clio & SAPS are summoned), likewise with the drivers license - it shows the license holders photo. So a fake license will also be spotted.

Random vehicle searches take place - residents & visitors. An example - I sold some Hi-Fi equipment recently. Guards searched the car & before the person was allowed to exit I was phoned & had to give the OK that I knew he had the goods.

All the above are in our estate rules - as an owner or tenant you agree to abide by the rules, so no getting shirty when you or your visitors are searched.

All the above depends on the human factor, which is the weakest link every single time.

You are one of the few estates where these measures actually works then. Most of the time the human factor eventually takes its toll and security degrades. I had a friend who lived in an estate that was as strict as you describe above and eventually the security just started getting slacker up to a point where you might as well leave it.

 

[LazyLion]

We live in Africa. A R50 note will get the gate open without you being subject to biometrics or any of that ****.

I've done it before even without the R50.00... a well spun story, a few smiles and nods opens the gate.
If they believe you have a valid reason to be there, then they step aside.

This is like Israeli border control versus the US border control.
The Israelis know what they are looking for and can hone in on a target pretty much with a 99 or 100% success rate.
The US stop everybody and inconvenience everyone generating anger and hatred and making enemies out of normal every day people.

 

[Trompie67]

If they allow one to secure your own place properly too, then that is idea. It's all about security layers.

They do. We have our own electric fence & alarm linked to armed response. There is a standing agreement with access security that armed response vehicles are allowed in. Double edge sword, but so far no problems.

 

[Trompie67]

You are one of the few estates where these measures actually works then. Most of the time the human factor eventually takes its toll and security degrades. I had a friend who lived in an estate that was as strict as you describe above and eventually the security just started getting slacker up to a point where you might as well leave it.

That is why our security contract is only ever for 12 months, with a 30 day cancellation clause & strict SLA. We also "test" fairly regularly. 1 fail & they are out.

 

[KingMikel]

Have they started searching and how has the crime rate been affected?

Crime dropped instantaneously.

 

[Rouxenator]

 

[Bismuth]

I don't live in an estate with biometric access control measures, searching and so forth, but have no issues with them scanning my disc, license or whatever in order to gain access.

That being said, I visited an estate once with an expired disc (hadn't renewed as I thought it was only due a month later than the actual expiry date). They scanned my license and (expired) disc, and let me in.

I worked at an office park where they would REFUSE entry to visitors if they had expired disc, licenses or both. Ditto if you or your vehicle had NO license, entry was refused. I am no private property expert, but if it's my property, I can set the conditions for entry? Naturally I presume law enforcement would be excluded from this requirement?

 

[Claymore]

I don't live in an estate with biometric access control measures, searching and so forth, but have no issues with them scanning my disc, license or whatever in order to gain access.

That being said, I visited an estate once with an expired disc (hadn't renewed as I thought it was only due a month later than the actual expiry date). They scanned my license and (expired) disc, and let me in.

I worked at an office park where they would REFUSE entry to visitors if they had expired disc, licenses or both. Ditto if you or your vehicle had NO license, entry was refused. I am no private property expert, but if it's my property, I can set the conditions for entry? Naturally I presume law enforcement would be excluded from this requirement?

I keep my old, expired driving licence in my car centre console specifically for complexes; it saves hassle of digging in my wallet. Once once has a guard every mentioned it was expired. Of course, it shouldn't matter; the validity is relevant for driving, not for proof of identity.

 

[pinball wizard]

I miss MD4E.