Why businesses like me prefer poorer quality Whatsapp calls over SA network voice

glamprecht

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Even though Whatsapp voice calls are not as good as normal calls, it is not a system designed to fool its customers.

Mobile operators will cause your phone to ring when you make a call regardless whether the number you are calling rings. If their network is busy, the phone will ring until it goes to voicemail. Recently I have started calling myself on my other number regularly and was surprised that more than 50% of the times that I call myself, my other phone never rings before it goes to voicemail eventually. I understand how the underlying technology GSM or WCDMA works and the broadcasting, signalling and paging behind it, but it is no excuse given the fact that other technologies do work.

The unwritten social rule is that if I am in a meeting and someone calls me, I put the phone to silent. If I see the same person calls me 3 times or more in a row, it is urgent and I will excuse myself from the meeting and take the call. If it is 5 times or more, family may be in danger or hurt and I will take the call in any meeting. Well now I often call 4 times or 5 times in the row, and get answer the 5th time. I often ask the person on the other side how many times their phone rang, and it is regularly "once only". The problem have been getting worse the past few years and is now irritating and frustrating to the extent that Skype and Whatsapp calls is my first choice. Cell C and Vodacom that uses "ring" to indicate either paging not possible, network busy (paging is done but not heard) or actually truly ring. This is considered poor service regardless of the underlying technology - you have to find a solution, or you will be replaced by other technologies with momentum you cannot stop.

The same goes for busy tone. Busy tone can also mean network busy or paging not possible. Sometimes I would call and get a busy tone after 1 or 2 rings. I assume the person on the other side is in a meeting. Well that is not the case, it may mean the network is busy, so call again and again to the frustration of the person on the other side if he is actually busy.

I must say if you call someone 5 times and he has put the phone down 4 times he is usually not a happy camper when he answers. So to cool the mood down a bit I usually explain the reason and ask him to also try it by calling himself or his wife when at home...

I lived in USA 1996-2001 and Cellular (GSM, not CDMA) was poor there, but pretty good in SA. The past couple of years I notice great Cellular in the US, and it is getting increasingly poor in SA. All, not most, of my clients and business partners agree this is the state. This is the perception regardless of what the network metrics say. Maybe consumer expectations grew, but there are certainly more and more alternatives also growing...

What do you think?
 

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Very well done.I had no idea that this happens and am going to try it soon.It wouldnt surprise me to be honest.
 

Defiler

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I've noticed this too, tried calling someone multiple times only to get through to voicemail. When I asked why they didn't pick up, the reply I got was that the phone only rang once and there were no missed calls or anything. I also had this happen the other way around, I called someone and left a voicemail message and they returned my call a few minutes and left a voicemail for me, even though they tried multiple times to call and I had no missed calls or anything, just an SMS to say that I have a new voicemail.
 

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Good observation and it is a deliberate cheat, I believe. It generates additional revenue due to diverting number of calls to the voice mail. The other network responds in a similar way in order to balance call termination costs.

There is a simple solution (if all your friends and family agree) to disable voice mail completely. If you want to leave a message, use Telegram, not Whatsapp. USSD code for disabling all diverts (including mailbox) is ##002#
 

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I have many clients who prefer whatsapp calls above normal as the data costs them less than a normal call.
They can also whatsapp pics and ask questions about what is in the pic
 

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One factor that you did not consider is the phone receiving the call. Unlike the days of GSM, when phones were just meant for voice calls and SMS, modern day smartphones are computers. In some cases Apps can slow down the phone or a bad smartphone may not respond quick enough to a paging message from the network.

https://www.datareign.com/impact-smartphone-quality-users-telecom-network-experience-study.html

Take a look at https://forums.androidcentral.com/v...06427-all-calls-going-straight-voicemail.html
Different phones, different countries, different networks.
 

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Good observation and it is a deliberate cheat, I believe. It generates additional revenue due to diverting number of calls to the voice mail. The other network responds in a similar way in order to balance call termination costs.

There is a simple solution (if all your friends and family agree) to disable voice mail completely. If you want to leave a message, use Telegram, not Whatsapp. USSD code for disabling all diverts (including mailbox) is ##002#
What exactly does that ussd code do?
 

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Recently I have started calling myself on my other number regularly and was surprised that more than 50% of the times that I call myself, my other phone never rings
7 posts in nobody calls OP on this ****?

Do you really think >50% of calls fail??? Does that match the personal experience of literally ANYONE with a phone and an IQ above 50 here? Jesus people...
 

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7 posts in nobody calls OP on this ****?

Do you really think >50% of calls fail??? Does that match the personal experience of literally ANYONE with a phone and an IQ above 50 here? Jesus people...

You woke up on the wrong side of the bed today lol
 

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7 posts in nobody calls OP on this ****?

Do you really think >50% of calls fail??? Does that match the personal experience of literally ANYONE with a phone and an IQ above 50 here? Jesus people...

Good observation and it is a deliberate cheat, I believe. It generates additional revenue due to diverting number of calls to the voice mail. The other network responds in a similar way in order to balance call termination costs.

There is a simple solution (if all your friends and family agree) to disable voice mail completely. If you want to leave a message, use Telegram, not Whatsapp. USSD code for disabling all diverts (including mailbox) is ##002#

I just did that, have been wondering why I get many voicemails without any missed calls, just assumed my phone maybe did not have reception at that time.
 

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Good observation and it is a deliberate cheat, I believe. It generates additional revenue due to diverting number of calls to the voice mail. The other network responds in a similar way in order to balance call termination costs.

There is a simple solution (if all your friends and family agree) to disable voice mail completely. If you want to leave a message, use Telegram, not Whatsapp. USSD code for disabling all diverts (including mailbox) is ##002#

So, a conspiracy theory involving all the mobile networks colluding?

Best you take this up with the competition commission ASAP then.
 

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7 posts in nobody calls OP on this ****?

Do you really think >50% of calls fail??? Does that match the personal experience of literally ANYONE with a phone and an IQ above 50 here? Jesus people...

So I just gave this a practice run to humour the conspiracy theorists.

1 x MTN on contract, 1 x Telkom Mobile on contract & 1 x Vodacom PAYG

10 calls in each direction. Each call rang through every single time. I'd say that's a 100% success rate?

Unless of course I need more tinfoil for my own conspiracy theory that most calls terminate successfully? :wtf:
 

HavocXphere

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You woke up on the wrong side of the bed today lol
Indeed. Apologies to all for the outburst.

So I just gave this a practice run to humour the conspiracy theorists.

1 x MTN on contract, 1 x Telkom Mobile on contract & 1 x Vodacom PAYG

10 calls in each direction. Each call rang through every single time. I'd say that's a 100% success rate?

Unless of course I need more tinfoil for my own conspiracy theory that most calls terminate successfully? :wtf:
Yeah I'd expect the vast majority to connect. Not always 100% but enough to not matter
 

sajunky

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What exactly does that ussd code do?
Exactly what I wrote. Disabling all diverts and voicemail gets reset (unconfigured). Important to do every time when going overseas. This way you can see who is calling, and you are not being charged if you chose to not pickup the call.

BTW, Ignoring all idiots with evident conspiracy syndrome.
 

Trompie67

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Exactly what I wrote. Disabling all diverts and voicemail gets reset (unconfigured). Important to do every time when going overseas. This way you can see who is calling, and you are not being charged if you chose to not pickup the call.

BTW, Ignoring all idiots with evident conspiracy syndrome.

How do you ignore yourself? That must hurt! Can I suggest this thread for help: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/906450-Living-positive-meaningful-and-mentally-healthy

BTW - the USSD code to disable voicemail on Telkom mobile is #004# & to activate is *004#

;)
 

gfmalan

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I can't say that this happens to me, I'm a heavy user of my mobile.

With MTN and calling lots of people on Vodacom, MTN and Telkom.
 

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One thing to bear in mind: the experience on a given network will and does vary in different areas. the poster may well be posting turthfully his experiance on a day at a given location then a day or two later it is vastly different...tricky.
 

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I have on occasion experienced this, but not enough to consider it a problem. But if you multiply over millions of cellphone users there might be something but without actual facts we will never know.
 
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