Why companies want employees back in the office

noxibox

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I suppose they spent a lot of money on those sweatshops they call offices. They want the monkeys back in the zoo.
 

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Just to respond to that particular point: Living in an apartment makes working from home very kak. In a house you can maybe assign a certain room to it, but in an apartment you're basically in the same space all the time and after a while it becomes quite difficult to be productive in such a space.
Offices are basically monotonous too. Anyway most people don’t have a separate space in their house.

An office you still get to walk around and socialize etc.
I count that among the big downsides of the office.
 

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Anyway most people don’t have a separate space in their house.

Unfortunately this is a problem for some. I have my on office at home, where I can shut the door if need be during meetings. But not everyone has that - but there are ways to work around that I believe.

I think parents have it worse; kids around the house all day (when not in school) can be an issue.
 

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Unfortunately this is a problem for some. I have my on office at home, where I can shut the door if need be during meetings. But not everyone has that - but there are ways to work around that I believe.

I think parents have it worse; kids around the house all day (when not in school) can be an issue.
Look for those people it must've been horrible, no dedicated space for work, kids running around, I mean I've luckily got a biggish sized house so I can use the study and my son could work in a different room. This is one of the problems for a lot of people, they would prefer going back to the office as they get a "space" to work.
Part of me wouldn't mind it if it was twice a week, but I'm not wearing a mask, if they do this and want us to wear a mask I'll be like no. Wearing a mask for a few hours here or there is okay, but freaking 8 to 9 hours no.
 

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Part of me wouldn't mind it if it was twice a week, but I'm not wearing a mask, if they do this and want us to wear a mask I'll be like no. Wearing a mask for a few hours here or there is okay, but freaking 8 to 9 hours no.

I don't think I'd mind too much with a hybrid approach. But yes, the wearing of a mask all day would be a deal breaker for me too.

Someone I know was called into the office on Wednesday (He normally WFH 99% of the time) - turns out he was exposed to someone who had COVID at the office and now he is showing symptoms. So there's also those sort of risks, too.
 

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I don't think I'd mind too much with a hybrid approach. But yes, the wearing of a mask all day would be a deal breaker for me too.

Someone I know was called into the office on Wednesday (He normally WFH 99% of the time) - turns out he was exposed to someone who had COVID at the office and now he is showing symptoms. So there's also those sort of risks, too.
Yeah there are, companies need to realise things have changed, open space offices aren't the way anymore thanks to COVID. My boss was also almost exposed when he went into the office, luckily he tested negative.
 

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So the long and the short of it is an Oom thinks on the job training is better. For an Office job? Nah pull the other one. For workshop training sure, and maybe for face to face jobs but even the latter will change with VR and AI.
 

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The point is that some people thrive working in the noisy, bright, interruption laden office environment and others thrive working in a private environment. No blanket policy forcing either on everyone is sensible. So you give people the flexibility to pick.

It is each person’s choice whether they get dressed everyday and so on when they’re working from home. They can’t blame working from home if they spend all day everyday in their pyjamas.

All banks and stuff invested in real estate, all old school with lots of manager levels.
And usually their bureaucracy makes performance monitoring nearly impossible in spite of having everyone working in a huge office.

I wonder if Tim Cook sits with the peasants or has his own private office?

Ah yes, an investment firm that definitely has no vested interest in any property.
They definitely need to be worried. We’ve already completely closed one office. The people who worked there will continue working remotely and the company will arrange a basic environment for the occasional in person meetings.

We’re also looking at drastically shrinking another quite soon. I see other companies doing the same when their leases come up for renewal.

So can't practice it, so what is the point of them imitating it? Also why can't this be done remotely? Had an intern I mentored for three months pure remote this year, worked pretty well (software).

Ah, so didn't actually matter that you were in the office as still remote.
The arguments are indeed nonsensical. There are certainly physical skills that are easier to learn in person, but anything involving creativity, knowledge and such can be done without ever meeting in person.

I just spent several months learning new skills from someone who lives on another continent. We’d have been working together remotely regardless and it was actually made easier by each of us not being stuck in a noisy office.

All of those can be measured with work output, give them a warning, should be sorted, same issue if they were in an office.
Having better control when people are in the office is mostly a fantasy. The larger the company the harder it gets.

I doubt the problem is sitting in a one room apartment. Essentially when it comes down to it, an office is just a one desk apartment where people spend 8 hours of their day waiting for the clock to hit home time so they can go sit in traffic and drink a beer. Your problem here isn't the grads, is your culture.
I agree. We simply figured out how we would work around the very few obstacles. What amazes me is how all these companies fail to see how dysfunctional modern offices are. My most productive job working in an office was one where we each had our own office. And that company had them already when I started there because their existing staff had demanded an end to the ridiculous open plan design.
 

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It wasn't like that across the company, but in any department where concentration was key, working from home always showed a more positive output. Roles where talking to people and ticking boxes were the main action (call centre, sales, field operations) a decline in performance was observed and they had to return to the office.
Our phone support and sales people have had no problem working remotely. They work remotely with the customers anyway, on the phone, video calls, e-mail and instant messaging. When sales people meet with customers it is never at the office anyway. The guys who handle the hardware configuration and installation now do the configuration from home, then take the hardware to the customer to install it. The majority of those customers don’t need most of their staff in the office either.
 

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All these points are irrelevant. All that really matters is that the world could never afford the pollution from cars driving to work. Completely mad and unsustainable.
 

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Yes ‘working’. Without measuring metrics that matter, it’s just a guessing game.

Not sure how it is where you work, but we are measured by tangible deliverables so it is possible to determine "how much" someone is working.
 

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Why companies want employees back in the office

Many of the world’s top companies, including Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, and Goldman Sachs, want employees to return to the office.

Tech giants like Facebook, Twitter, and Google are also inviting employees who have been vaccinated back to their desks.

South Africa is no different. A recent Digital Corporation in South Africa 2021 research study conducted by World Wide Worx revealed that 64% of South African enterprises expect all staff to make a full return to the workplace.
I've not been in the office for a heck of a lot longer than Covid has been a thing.
 

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Our phone support and sales people have had no problem working remotely. They work remotely with the customers anyway, on the phone, video calls, e-mail and instant messaging. When sales people meet with customers it is never at the office anyway. The guys who handle the hardware configuration and installation now do the configuration from home, then take the hardware to the customer to install it. The majority of those customers don’t need most of their staff in the office either.
The major issue for most companies is cyber security... if not yet, for the future. You have little to no control or monitoring over the home environment.
 

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That aside, the companies doing WFH for client facing services really need to improve the equipment issued to employees. There have been numerous times I've called into a support center (banks, online store, etc) or a sales department, and the WFH person answering is either on horrible loudspeaker and difficult to hear, or has background noise (music, kids/baby, other people conversing), or has static interference from a bad quality connection, or a combination.
How is that noisy environment different to the normal call centre zoo? I’ve had this issue with call centres for years. And having been into them I’m amazed anyone can hear anything.

I agree they should provide staff with adequate headsets, but they must surely already have those?
 

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The major issue for most companies is cyber security... if not yet, for the future. You have little to no control or monitoring over the home environment.
What? You're using a company laptop with the company anti-virus installed on it, going through the company VPN. What other cyber security would they need to do??
Windows is already a big risk.
 

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The major issue for most companies is cyber security... if not yet, for the future. You have little to no control or monitoring over the home environment.
This is the major issue for idiotic companies yes. Companies that still think "on-premise is more secure than cloud" are dumb. The reality is that security is only as good as how you implement it, and the truth is you are more empowered to easily implement good security if cloud based.
 

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How is that noisy environment different to the normal call centre zoo? I’ve had this issue with call centres for years. And having been into them I’m amazed anyone can hear anything.

I agree they should provide staff with adequate headsets, but they must surely already have those?

Never encountered such a problem from an actual call center operation (or very seldom), WFH on the other hand sounds like a cell phone loudspeaker with the associated muffled/echo style conversation from the person sitting far away. From what I've experienced, it seems to indicate that while a call center uses headsets and directed microphones, current WFH is piping calls from the PBX over to cell phone or land line numbers. Ideally calls should be sent with voip, but it looks like a lot of companies can't or won't move phone equipment into their employees homes.
 

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Prove it.

Until you bring the hard statistics that demonstrate statistically significant differences between companies working from home vs not, I call BS.

Just another Old School Boss Man that can't go a day without having his ego stroked.
 

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No one mentioning that they've taken out long term leases in very fancy buildings and are still paying for this. WFH has mostly worked quite well at the company I work at. We're all devs, BA's and PM's anyway. Apart from the PM's and BA's, there's no need to socialise with people. The odd chat and call on teams/zoom has been helping.
 
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