Why do the stormers suck so badly with so much talent in their team?

[Devill]

I really can not understand it, they do not have a bad team, on paper their team would probably rate amongst the top 6.

Why can't they just pull it together?

 

[APoc184]

I think it is because they play as individual stars and not as a team.

Just look at somebody like Schalk Brits. He has explosive speed and a super side-step. So now he thinks he needs to try and break the line every time. Instead of pulling one or two defenders and offloading in the tackle he tries to do everything on his own.
Same goes for Lobberts who tries and smash the defenders each time.

If they can start looking for their support players, I think they will do better.

 

[Devill]

Mmm that is very true now that I think about it, have not really seen the stormers take the ball through more then a couple of phases to build up to a try.

 

[APoc184]

Mmm that is very true now that I think about it, have not really seen the stormers take the ball through more then a couple of phases to build up to a try.

Also. Their first line of defense is terrible. With guys like Willem de Waal and Joe Petersen in the line you will always see the attacking side have a go at them(and probably beat them)
I am not saying they are bad players but their one-on-one tackles are terrible.

 

[Devill]

Also. Their first line of defense is terrible. With guys like Willem de Waal and Joe Petersen in the line you will always see the attacking side have a go at them(and probably beat them)
I am not saying they are bad players but their one-on-one tackles are terrible.

Lol, yeah that is true, also they have a lazy assed winger

 

[capetownguy]

They are all over the place. They need to work the team aspect, team spirit, ...and the gel that holds the team together.

 

[APoc184]

Think about this. When last did you see Duane Vermeulen pass the ball? Whenever he gets the ball from a kick(when he is covering back), he always always bashes it up. When he played for the Cheetahs he mostly did the same but on occasions he pulled 3 defenders and passed to a supporting wing or fullback. He did this because the defenders "knew" he was gonna do crash ball.

Okay I've got it. The Stormers are predictable.

 

[APoc184]

Lol, yeah that is true, also they have a lazy assed winger

//Quick edit there. From you to they.

I was just gonna say:

"Erm.... My team has the fastest winger in World Rugby atm"

 

[Devill]

//Quick edit there. From you to they.

I was just gonna say:

"Erm.... My team has the fastest winger in World Rugby atm"

Eish so your a cheetah

Well atleast you runed the sharks and played a hell of a game against the bulls

 

[APoc184]

Eish so your a cheetah

Well atleast you runed the sharks and played a hell of a game against the bulls

Hell yeah. Only 34 more years before we win something again
After Saturday it will be a big big surprise to see Schalk Burger starting against the Lions ahead of Brussow.

 

[Devill]

Hell yeah. Only 34 more years before we win something again
After Saturday it will be a big big surprise to see Schalk Burger starting against the Lions ahead of Brussow.

Heard brussouw is talking to the bulls contract wise

 

[APoc184]

Heard brussouw is talking to the bulls contract wise

Nope. He already signed at the Cheetahs for next year.

Die meeste ouens waarom ons die span bou, is klaar gek.o.ntrakteer. Iemand soos Wian du Preez (stut) is klaar vir volgende jaar se Vodacom Super14-reeks gek.o.nrakteer en so ook Adriaan Strauss (haker), Heinrich Brüssow (flank), Juan Smith (flank) en Meyer Bosman (senter).

From the Cheetahs website

 

[Devill]

Nope. He already signed at the Cheetahs for next year.

From the Cheetahs website

mmm maybe for the yaer after then, was just a rumour. I ofcourse feel that SA should start enforcing a 3 year must play law for the province you started at. You can only get around that if the province does not offer to renew your contract.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Its very simple to answer this question.

Stormers/WP have always played oppertunist/bounce of the ball type rugby, look at there old players like Breyton Pulse, Pieter (slapchips) Russouw and Robbie Fleck, They always depended on a chip through and then the luck of the bounce to score there tries.

Now that Rassie Erasmus has taken over, he is trying to teach them to play rugby now and create tries from Scrums/lineouts/ruck n mauls and not form lucky bounces and intercepts.

So give the Stormers some time, they will come right and start playing the type of rugby that Rassie is famous for.

If you think about it, Pieter Rossouw is now the backline coach for the Blue Bulls, and you can see that he is trying to get the Bulls to play his old WP lucky bounce of the ball type of rugby, Look at the game against the Cheetahs this past weekend, how many times did Morne Steyn put the high ball up and rely on the bounce of the ball, this time it worked though, Ndgane's try was from a high ball and habana's try was from an intercept.

A team cannot depend on that style of rugby all the time.

Just my opinion.

 

[Devill]

Its very simple to answer this question.

Stormers/WP have always played oppertunist/bounce of the ball type rugby, look at there old players like Breyton Pulse, Pieter (slapchips) Russouw and Robbie Fleck, They always depended on a chip through and then the luck of the bounce to score there tries.

Now that Rassie Erasmus has taken over, he is trying to teach them to play rugby now and create tries from Scrums/lineouts/ruck n mauls and not form lucky bounces and intercepts.

So give the Stormers some time, they will come right and start playing the type of rugby that Rassie is famous for.

If you think about it, Pieter Rossouw is now the backline coach for the Blue Bulls, and you can see that he is trying to get the Bulls to play his old WP lucky bounce of the ball type of rugby, Look at the game against the Cheetahs this past weekend, how many times did Morne Steyn put the high ball up and rely on the bounce of the ball, this time it worked though, Ndgane's try was from a high ball and habana's try was from an intercept.

A team cannot depend on that style of rugby all the time.

Just my opinion.

Yes but backing that kind of play up with defence like the bulls makes a BIG difference And thats why they are top of the log atm.

The stormers have poor defence and then kicking the ball into a 50/50 situation is dangerous.

 

[APoc184]

Its very simple to answer this question.

Stormers/WP have always played oppertunist/bounce of the ball type rugby, look at there old players like Breyton Pulse, Pieter (slapchips) Russouw and Robbie Fleck, They always depended on a chip through and then the luck of the bounce to score there tries.

Now that Rassie Erasmus has taken over, he is trying to teach them to play rugby now and create tries from Scrums/lineouts/ruck n mauls and not form lucky bounces and intercepts.

So give the Stormers some time, they will come right and start playing the type of rugby that Rassie is famous for.

If you think about it, Pieter Rossouw is now the backline coach for the Blue Bulls, and you can see that he is trying to get the Bulls to play his old WP lucky bounce of the ball type of rugby, Look at the game against the Cheetahs this past weekend, how many times did Morne Steyn put the high ball up and rely on the bounce of the ball, this time it worked though, Ndgane's try was from a high ball and habana's try was from an intercept.

A team cannot depend on that style of rugby all the time.

Just my opinion.

I personally thought the high ball tactic from Morne was a brilliant tactic and maybe the only thing that kept them from losing that game. It was obviously something they practiced the whole week, and they perfected it. iirc only one kick went to deep for the chasers. All the other kicks were perfect and the Bulls got the ball back 90% of the time. I got very annoyed with my own team because they kept losing the ball.
But the Bulls did their homework.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Yes but backing that kind of play up with defence like the bulls makes a BIG difference And thats why they are top of the log atm.

The stormers have poor defence and then kicking the ball into a 50/50 situation is dangerous.

I personally thought the high ball tactic from Morne was a brilliant tactic and maybe the only thing that kept them from losing that game. It was obviously something they practiced the whole week, and they perfected it. iirc only one kick went to deep for the chasers. All the other kicks were perfect and the Bulls got the ball back 90% of the time. I got very annoyed with my own team because they kept losing the ball.
But the Bulls did their homework.

Agreed, this tactic worked on the weekend, and this is what helped the Blue Bulls pull of that important victory, but the ball will not always bounce into the breadbasket.

@Devill, the BB's defence is very good i cannot argue that. but i cannot stop wondering "what if" the ball bounced the other way.

I prefer the old style of hard/grinding type of Blue bull rugby, not this bounce of the ball style, one week it works next week it backfires.

 

[APoc184]

Bit off topic here: Why was Tewis de Bruyn not cited for that tackle on Ndugane? As a Cheetah supporter even I thought that he needed to be suspended for that.

Yes he got a yellow card and yes he did not spear him but that was a real bad fall he took. Could easily have broken his neck.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Bit off topic here: Why was Tewis de Bruyn not cited for that tackle on Ndugane? As a Cheetah supporter even I thought that he needed to be suspended for that.

Yes he got a yellow card and yes he did not spear him but that was a real bad fall he took. Could easily have broken his neck.

I suppose because he did not drive him into the ground, but yes it was dangerous, i had to laugh though, when he went down he really looked badly injured, and still did not look well when he got up, but had no problem scoring that important try 2 mins later.

 

[Devill]

Agreed, this tactic worked on the weekend, and this is what helped the Blue Bulls pull of that important victory, but the ball will not always bounce into the breadbasket.

@Devill, the BB's defence is very good i cannot argue that. but i cannot stop wondering "what if" the ball bounced the other way.

I prefer the old style of hard/grinding type of Blue bull rugby, not this bounce of the ball style, one week it works next week it backfires.

Yeah its all about adopting to the rules, real BB rugby will suffer under the new rules.

Bit off topic here: Why was Tewis de Bruyn not cited for that tackle on Ndugane? As a Cheetah supporter even I thought that he needed to be suspended for that.

Yes he got a yellow card and yes he did not spear him but that was a real bad fall he took. Could easily have broken his neck.

I also thought he would be sighted

I suppose because he did not drive him into the ground, but yes it was dangerous, i had to laugh though, when he went down he really looked badly injured, and still did not look well when he got up, but had no problem scoring that important try 2 mins later.

Lol, Blue Bull guts my friend, difference between us and the guppies/weepee