Why Is line rental so costly???

James

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Please can some one explain to me why line rental is so costly. At the moment the account pricing is barable but the line rental is a killer. Is there a differnce in technology at the exchanges, if yes, what, and can Telskum justify this huge rate??? Are they "covering costs of the roll out" cause they can't bring that bandwidth bs into this one? When in the UK last year I had broadband and they don't even have line rental, it is all inclusive in your monthly bill and that was only 39squid that is way cheaper now same package is 24.

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Telkom claim it’s because of the high price of International Bandwidth. This is one of the main arguments RPM has laid down before ICASA as bandwidth is a ISP cost. For example bandwidth is what Saix should be charging and not Telkom. However IMO, I reckon Telkom is maximising its ROI on the DSLAM's while it still has the advantage of being the sole provider of ADSL in SA. Also take into account that not everyone is buying into ADSL, never mind what Telkom tells you. So the 20000 ADSL subscribers are subsidising for all the empty ports at the exchanges. The 661% increase Telkom refers to is merely statistics. In other words only 17000 new customers for the initial period since ADSL was implemented have joined up from the 2000 odd that had it first in the Gauteng area. This is hardly what I would brag about seeing that Telkom has complete control over the market. In the same period, 90 000 new customers took up ISDN. If ADSL was priced correctly and wasn't capped and shaped, ADSL could have been the product that would have had 90 000 new customers.
Telkom are very clever with their statistics. Its one way of making the state think they are doing their stuff. But when they bragged about the 187% increase in Earnings, that they couldn't hide, a few eyebrows were raised in Parliament.

IMO, Telkom should be forced by ICASA to refund every ADSL subscriber in SA for overcharging them for line rental. Base this argument on what ISDN rental costs per month and your eyes will be opened. Telkom cannot expect the mere 20000 ADSL subscribers, just because they have businesses or can afford ADSL, to pay for Telkom's ADSL roll out in SA. And I strongly believe this is what we are doing.
If Telkom had priced ADSL reasonably, we would have seen an enormous take up of the product.
In my estimate I reckon, the take up of ADSL, should have been at least 100 000 ADSL subscribers in the first year alone. Not 20 000. If one had to equate what other countries are doing around the world, then 20 000 is a joke. Someone in another thread said that it costs about R1500 per port on the DSLAM. So basically in 2 months, they have covered their investment per port. But they obviously need to recover the ROI on all the ports. Food for thought?

Perhaps Podo might like to take a stab at your question. [:)]


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pr13sT</i>
<br />Please can some one explain to me why line rental is so costly.
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1) A monopoly can charge whatever they please.
2) I believe Telkom are deliberately distorting the market by keeping the line rental as high as they think that they can get away with.
Their legislated monopoly actually applies only to the line - there are other ISPs who could compete for the bandwidth business if allowed to do so.
By using their monopoly to force subscribers to use only the Telkom ISP (a bundle also resold via other ISPs) and by setting the line rental very high, Telkom can subsidise their bandwidth cost. At the same time, no other ISP can offer ADSL subscribers extra international bandwidth at a competitive price, because Telkom has already taken the money which should, on a cost basis, have gone towards bandwidth. QED.
 

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Puts Sentech and Telkom in a room,calls the whole of South Africa to come beat them with a stick.
 

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I like what sentech is tring to achieve, they are well...just struggling to do it right!

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amen brother amen !!! pity sentech havn't read ISP 101 for Dummies

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pr13sT</i>
<br />I like what sentech is tring to achieve, they are well...just struggling to do it right!
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I agree. I also like what Sentech is doing. It's such a new service, there are bound to be technical hickups. I'm just holding thumbs that once they get themselves sorted out (the sooner, the better) - they'll be good competition against Telkom.


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Yesterday's article in ITWEB was kinda funny how telkom mentioned how they have to load all the cost factors into their pricing model and how there are hundreds of thousands of them an then they have to analyze it blah blah.
Wonder how well their gonna be able to hide the cost of the international bandwidth from icasa's auditors.
Does anyone know what power icasa has over telkom to actualy force them to lower their prices?



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The way I understand it, they have to 'endorse' Telkrap's tariff structures before they can be applied. Recently they tried to prevent an increase imposed by Telkrap, which then started litigation and eventually applied the tariff increase, due to a shortcoming or 'missing' legislation at the time, if I can remember correctly. Dr Ivy was severely castigated for this, as she had allowed this 'loophole' to come about, whether inadvertently or not...
 

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ICASA is in need of more money to do their jobs properly according to a few media reports. Surprising seeing as just from Telkom they receive around R30 million a year, or 0.1% of a company's turnover which for them is around that.. others also pay a hefty amount.


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I wouldn't be too surprised - most government agencies are suffering from inadequate funding, particularly those concerned with vital societal services. R30M is actually peanuts, considering the scope of ICASA's responsibilities. If you take say 100 people earning R10K/month cost-to-company, that's already R12M/annum on salaries alone. Then there's facilities and equipment costs, admin costs including litigation, etc. The old adage of 'if you pay peanuts, expect to employ monkeys' comes to mind...
 
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