Why Peter de Villiers WON'T be backing the Boks at the World Cup

[Sl8er]

How quickly people forget the 49-0 just a year prior.

You reckon if it wasn't for Jones we wouldn't have won the 2007 RWC?

Yeah-no...I disagree.

 

[EADC]

You reckon if it wasn't for Jones we wouldn't have won the 2007 RWC?

Yeah-no...I disagree.

You can disagree all you want the facts speak for themselves.

What you feel cannot change what happened.

 

[JustAsk]

Piet beat the British and Irish Lions and won in New Zealand twice doesn't make him relevant.

It's more about saying inane garbage trying to stay relevant

You forgot 2009 TRI NATIONS

True.
That said, with the world cup winning squad that he inherited from Jake White, virtually anyone coaching the Boks at the time, would've achieved that

Jake "won" without playing Aus and NZ, and with Jones. That was just luck
Also, using your logic...pitty Carel & Markgraaf couldn't duplicate that with the real worldcup-winning squad inherited from Kitch. Carel actually lost 1997 British and Lion tours and Tri Nations...a year after he inherit a worldcup winning team.

Also, Jones wasn’t rated very high until the day he had beaten the Springboks.

He was just a former successful Aus coach...
I can still remember all those non-existant top tier teams that wanted Jake as a coach after 2007 WC "win".

 

[Fulcrum29]

You can disagree all you want the facts speak for themselves.

What you feel cannot change what happened.

Jones was only on the management team due to Rassie's resignation, and he was brought on by White as a consultant. A position he held as an independent contractor during the RWC’s duration. Facts, tell us more about it…

All Jones added was a variation to the style played by the Springboks, variations added by most teams going into the RWC. This variation may have been instrumental, and through the system introduced by White, but it took a build-up to win the RWC.

 

[Sl8er]

You can disagree all you want the facts speak for themselves.

What you feel cannot change what happened.

Show me the facts that they would've lost.
You can't.
Your "facts" is actually just your opinion.

 

[Sl8er]

Jake "won" without playing Aus and NZ, and with Jones. That was just luck

Dang, maybe we should just go and ask to have the Springboks removed from 2007 then, because...y'know...we didn't play Aus or NZ.

Also, using your logic...pitty Carel & Markgraaf couldn't duplicate that with the real worldcup-winning squad inherited from Kitch. Carel actually lost 1997 British and Lion tours and Tri Nations...a year after he inherit a worldcup winning team.

So...the same players that played under du Plessis, Markgraaf and Kitch played for White and P-Divvy?
Oldest Springbok rugby team in the world...ever
(I guess my point is there's a huge difference between the quality of players from back then to just the other day. Ie. "These" days they're all athletes and "monsters".)

 

[Fulcrum29]

was just a former successful Aus coach...
I can still remember all those non-existant top tier teams that wanted Jake as a coach after 2007 WC "win".

I would say that he was a better Australian coach than Michael Cheika and Ewen McKenzie, but he hardly compared to his predecessor. Yes, Jones was struck with many player issues, depth and continuity, and he was also criticised because he has Japanese-like workmanship, but you are welcome to list his Australian successes, especially his win rate against SA teams. Robbie Deans also had depth and continuity related issues, but he made more with what he had available.

Jones has had his successes, but only when he worked with like-minded people and I believe the RFU has given him that on the scale where he wants to be. I guess White also enabled him. John Mitchell must be at right at home next to Jones.

In regard to White, he bumped heads with SARU and ended up as an administrator with World Rugby (or the IRB). Don't ignore that White was greatly rewarded, and it wasn't due to Jones.

 

[Quicks]

The best coach in the world can not teach a bunch of retards tactics, just ask befana befana!

 

[Fulcrum29]

The best couch in the world can not teach a bunch of retards tactics, just ask befana befana!

Most public commentators are couches.

 

[JustAsk]

So...the same players that played under du Plessis, Markgraaf and Kitch played for White and P-Divvy?

poor straw man attempt.

If you claim Pieter inherited a world cup winning squad from Jake, then the same should be true for Kitch's better world cup winning squad. But it isn't, it is quite the opposite. The 95 squad actually played and win against Aus and NZ. Your inheriting nonsense should be clearer then to see...but its not.

 

[Sl8er]

poor straw man attempt.

If you claim Pieter inherited a world cup winning squad from Jake, then the same should be true for Kitch's better world cup winning squad. But it isn't, it is quite the opposite. The 95 squad actually played and win against Aus and NZ. Your inheriting nonsense should be clearer then to see...but its not.

The quality of player is not a straw man at all.
(Jonah Lomu was a big deal back then...not taking anything away from Lomu, but he wouldn't be so much today. By that I mean there are many more of those types of players around these days.)

Put the 2007 RWC winners up against any other South African team from the past and see what happens.

1. The other teams would be beaten, because "athletes".
2. Generally, the players enjoy a much longer career these days. "Back then" when you hit your late twenties - early thirties, you were pretty much out the door and ready for retirement.
Today the players are of such a caliber that they play into their mid to late thirties, even.
(Of course, there was an exception in Os, but that was about it.)

Just because you believe it's a straw man, doesn't actually mean that it is.

 

[Sl8er]

Anyway, this thread isn't about comparing teams from the past to the present (there really is no comparison to be had).

This is about P-Divvy crapping his nappy over BS.

Moving on....

(Apologies for the derailment.)

 

[Dimpie (COMPUTEK)]

Who gives a fnck what he thinks and what sport he watching. Chop

 

[thestaggy]

Jake "won" without playing Aus and NZ, and with Jones. That was just luck

I haven't seen this BS disclaimer in a while.

Australia and the All Blacks were knocked out in the quarter-finals. The fact that we never beat them is moot as neither of them were good enough to be in the final.

We played the teams put in front of us and we beat them all the way to lifting the trophy. We done what we had to do while the All Blacks and Wallabies didn't. Not our problem.

Its only bitter AB fans, turncoat South Africans and Cape Crusaders that bring up the fact that we never had to play the All Blacks to win in 2007. Maybe they should've done a better job against the French?

 

[schumi]

SAHRC intends approaching Equality Court over Bok Eben Etzebeth

The South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) intends approaching the Equality Court over allegations that Springbok lock Eben Etzebeth racially abused a man at a pub in Langebaan.

"For the sake of fairness, let us take it to the Equality Court," SAHRC commissioner Chris Nissen told News24 this week.

"If he is innocent, the court will find that. If he is not, the court will find that."

Nissen said they would also continue their own investigation into the matter.

At the end of last month, Etzebeth and his legal team met with the SAHRC and agreed to co-operate with their procedures.

'We blundered'

Nissen met with the complainants in Langebaan on Thursday night and also went to the pub where the incident allegedly took place.

"I had been called by the community to come and listen to them because they felt very unhappy about how we dealt with this issue. We blundered [because] when we receive a complaint in the commission, you don't listen to respondent first, you listen to complainants, and then respondents."

On Friday morning, the SAHRC was expected to facilitate a meeting between Langebaan residents and SA Rugby Union officials at its offices in Cape Town.

More at:

SAHRC intends approaching Equality Court over Bok Eben Etzebeth

The South African Human Rights Commission intends approaching the Equality Court over allegations that Springbok lock Eben Etzebeth racially abused a man at a pub in Langebaan.

www.news24.com

 

[schumi]

Bok Eben Etzebeth must return to SA to be investigated, community leader tells SARU

Allegations surfaced last month that he and a large group of friends reportedly used a racially loaded word against someone in a pub.

A community leader representing complainants in a matter about an alleged racist incident at a pub in Langebaan has told SA Rugby Union (SARU) officials that Springbok lock Eben Etzebeth must return home to be internally investigated for any role he may have played.
Etzebeth is at the Rugby World Cup in Japan with the rest of the team.
“The way SARU has handled the matter was painful, very painful because it was ice cold. They were non-responsive and they were not willing. There was no political will to take serious internal action,” West Coast community leader Sammy Classen told SARU officials at the South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) offices in Cape Town on Friday.
News24 reported earlier on Friday that the SAHRC indicated its intentions to approach the Equality Court over the allegations.

While the SAHRC and police conducted their own investigations, SARU should also invite the alleged victims to give statements, said Classen.
“They must even call Eben Etzebeth and give him a fair chance to defend himself and tell his side of the story,” he said.
“This process will give peace to black South Africans that SA Rugby is serious about racism.”

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Bok Eben Etzebeth must return to SA to be investigated, community leader tells SARU

Allegations surfaced last month that he and a large group of friends reportedly used a racially loaded word against someone in a pub.

citizen.co.za

 

[Sl8er]

Solid, actual, hard evidence / proof or shut the fck up.

He doesn't have to be in the country for them to bring their evidence. Right now, this seems to be nothing more than vindictive "drunkards" trying to ruin someone else's career / experience.
I hope he finishes the tournament and brings the cup home.
( Nice front page picture of him holding up the cup )

But wait, I can already hear The Usuals ree-ing, "REEEE! How can you say stuff like that?! We all know what a racist Etzebeth is! How can you say he's not?!"

Well...because if there was any proof whatsoever, it would have been plastered all over social media the very next day OR it would've been in the news already...but it's not.
There's nothing -as of yet.

So, IMO, here's what happened.
(Spoiler alert: It's the same old story that's been going on since the dawn of time / alcohol)

Drunk guys, drunking around.
Famous guy pitches up.
Drunk guys have to prove they're "The Man".
Drunk guys go to cause crap with famous guy.
Drunk guys come off second best.
To save face / "get back at" famous guy, accusations are made (because in SA you're guilty until proven innocent) to try and ruin the competition / his life.


So!
I repeat: Solid, hard evidence or STFU and GTFO.
Until then, this should be ignored completely.

When they start appealing to all the hurt feelings, it usually comes along with a boatload of BS.

“The way SARU has handled the matter was painful, very painful because it was ice cold. They were non-responsive and they were not willing. There was no political will to take serious internal action,” West Coast community leader Sammy Classen told SARU officials at the South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) offices in Cape Town on Friday.

Once again, isn't it amazing how fast the SAHRC is the bastion of all that is good and honorable when it's anything white on non-white...but somehow never gets the whatsapp when it's the other way around?
- Captain Obvious.



(If there's hard evidence, then he should come back and face the music...until then STFU and GTFO.)

 

[Vrotappel]

Bok Eben Etzebeth must return to SA to be investigated, community leader tells SARU



More at:

Bok Eben Etzebeth must return to SA to be investigated, community leader tells SARU

Allegations surfaced last month that he and a large group of friends reportedly used a racially loaded word against someone in a pub.

citizen.co.za

The community leader must go F himself. All of these racist idiots are out to score political points.

 

[Vrotappel]

Some drunk POS looked for k@k with the wrong guy and hopefully got klapped properly now he wants to play the race card. So typical.

 

[ForceFate]

The best couch in the world can not teach a bunch of retards tactics, just ask befana befana!

I always wondered why they don't pick one up at a charity auction. It may just be what they were looking for.