Why SA has a shortage of doctors and nurses

[Packer]

You know what this means? Medical AI (which is purportedly better than human) will become the frontier, 1st line of (medical) defense in rural populations and the default treatment in NHI because medical AI diagnosis is free and treatment is cheap.

 

[konfab]

The reason is that there are simply not enough medical schools in South Africa. And the few ones we do have apply racial quotas to make sure that only God's Chosen people become doctors.

There was a plan a while ago for a private medical school in KZN, with certification done by a large Indian university.
https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...-get-first-private-medical-university-1696883

Except the government didn't want it, because then they wouldn't be able to implement racial quotas.

Sources report the reason for the halt to this initiative was that the government did not wish to allow the university to be a completely private initiative.

According to a report in the media, Premier Mchunu said: “We are discussing a proposal of a public-private partnership between Manipal University and the government.”

Currently, the Department of Higher Education and Training (DoHET) is tabling the possible partnership. This was decided after the department revealed reservations surrounding the idea of a fully private university. The department is rather considering a public medical school.

https://newcastleadvertiser.co.za/45856/medical-university-shelved/


The only way out of this is more private medical (and veterinary I might add) schools. The children of doctors usually follow in their parent's footsteps, the government and their racial nationalism getting in the way of this only hurts the public.

 

[konfab]

You know what this means? Medical AI (which is purportedly better than human) will become the frontier, 1st line of (medical) defense in rural populations and the default treatment in NHI because medical AI diagnosis is free and treatment is cheap.

You still need nurses. The trend in medical AI that we are seeing, is that it isn't really suitable for replacing doctors. What it is fantastic for, is boosting the effectiveness of nurses and adding an additional layer of triage to the medical system.

 

[ponder]

There will be even less medical staff the closer we get to NHI, watch this space...

 

[maumau]

Many people that I know of who should make it in don't. The criteria is ridiculously strict.

Not sure what criteria you mean.

Friend's daughter wants to do medicine but couldn't get into Wits or UCT. A grade student and head girl at her school.

Got a bursary in USA and left last month.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Why SA has a shortage?

Not withstanding the fact that racist racial quotas are still in effect at various institutions, there simply isn't enough tertiary institutions that can cater for the demand.
Medical Racial Quotas KZN 2014
More Racial Quota Problems

Well, you might think, opening up private institutions would be the solution right? As it turns out, NOPE! Why? The government can't enforce the quota systems on the private institutions...
Private Medical Institution
Private Medical Shelved

Anyone care to pop in for a chat on this?

 

[Deleted member]

it's because they discriminate against capable kids who then go overseas and ply their trade there.

 

[Cius]

My cousin was top med student at Wits in his 5th year. He wanted to give to the poor so he applied for a job after qualifying at Bara. He got the post. 2 days later the political head of the hospital found out about it and fired him on the spot saying it was for EE candidates only. He applied to move to Sydney, and was gone in under 2 months as the Australian government was only too happy to take such a gem. Viva ANC Viva.

 

[MEIOT]

The only way out of this is more private medical (and veterinary I might add) schools.

This will absolutely not work. All it will end up being is another conduit for corruption and bribery. Government will make sure 3rd rate 'donators' own these private institutions thus perpetuating the influx of 3rd rate doctors in this country.

 

[TheChamp]

My cousin was top med student at Wits in his 5th year. He wanted to give to the poor so he applied for a job after qualifying at Bara. He got the post. 2 days later the political head of the hospital found out about it and fired him on the spot saying it was for EE candidates only. He applied to move to Sydney, and was gone in under 2 months as the Australian government was only too happy to take such a gem. Viva ANC Viva.

There is no such thing as a political head of a hospital, other than that, cool story.

 

[Cius]

There is no such thing as a political head of a hospital, other than that, cool story.

Heads of state hospitals are political appointees, that is just what I call them.

 

[Zarnicate]

I have 2 cousins both doctors. One is a orthopedic surgeon.

One has already left other (orthopedic surgeon) is getting paperwork in order and leaving end of the year.

NHI is the reason they are leaving not all the other nonsense as in the article.

 

[konfab]

This will absolutely not work. All it will end up being is another conduit for corruption and bribery. Government will make sure 3rd rate 'donators' own these private institutions thus perpetuating the influx of 3rd rate doctors in this country.

Funny, that is the exact argument that all left wing statists make when arguing for state control of anything.

Look at internet infrastructure in this country. It is actually starting to progress because the retards in government are out the way.
Same thing with private schools, they are doing relatively well, whilst government schools are in the toilet.
Same thing with private hospitals.

Private industry is robust against corruption because it is decentralised and there is negative consequences for those who engage in it.

 

[konfab]

I have 2 cousins both doctors. One is a orthopedic surgeon.

One has already left other (orthopedic surgeon) is getting paperwork in order and leaving end of the year.

NHI is the reason they are leaving not all the other nonsense as in the article.

I would also bet that they would like their kids to become doctors and not have to jump through racial nationalist hoops.

 

[Zarnicate]

I would also bet that they would like their kids to become doctors and not have to jump through racial nationalist hoops.

That is also one of the reasons they left/are leaving.

 

[ponder]

There is no such thing as a political head of a hospital, other than that, cool story.

Heads of most gov entities are mostly political appointees, bara would be no different. The deputy director of life esidimeni that was one of the top officials implicated by the moseneke inquiry is now the head of? Take a wild guess? That's right, you got it, chris hani baragwanath hospital!

I wonder how that happened? Maybe you can educate us on how this works...

 

[konfab]

There is no such thing as a political head of a hospital, other than that, cool story.

Right, no political meddling ever happens in state hospitals...

"This appointment is long overdue as the hospital has been without a permanent CEO for three years‚ since former health MEC Qedani Mahlangu removed the previous CEO for unexplained reasons‚" said Bloom‚ who represents the DA in the Gauteng legislature with a focus on the health portfolio.

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...l-gets-new-ceo-after-three-years-without-one/

 

[TheChamp]

Right, no political meddling ever happens in state hospitals...

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...l-gets-new-ceo-after-three-years-without-one/

I never said no political meddling ever happen In government hospitals, just saying the hospital CEO is an accounting officer not a political head of a hospital.

 

[Packer]

The trend in medical AI that we are seeing, is that it isn't really suitable for replacing doctors.

On the contrary, it’s eminently suited for that. It’s the nurses work that’s really difficult. Intellectual work is a doddle (doctors) but nurses work... stitches, injections, bedpans, heaving patients around and comforting them, etc. That’s not easily done.

 

[ponder]

Right, no political meddling ever happens in state hospitals...

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...l-gets-new-ceo-after-three-years-without-one/

Ah so they replaced that life esidimeni pos eventually.