Why SA has a shortage of doctors and nurses

[ponder]

I never said no political meddling ever happen In government hospitals, just saying the hospital CEO is an accounting officer not a political head of a hospital.

They essentially are, might not be their official title but an apt description. Reminds me of political officers in the soviet military, put there by politicians and they outranked military staff with the same rank.

 

[Cius]

I never said no political meddling ever happen In government hospitals, just saying the hospital CEO is an accounting officer not a political head of a hospital.

In a first world country the name would have meaning, in SA I call them what they are, and as my cousin dealt with this stooge first hand I think I have more of a right to call it what it is than you have to disagree. Hlaudi was also called the CEO of SAA, I can think of many better names for what he was. State minister of propoganda perhaps. A turd by any other name still stinks.

 

[konfab]

On the contrary, it’s eminently suited for that. It’s the nurses work that’s really difficult. Intellectual work is a doddle (doctors) but nurses work... stitches, injections, bedpans, heaving patients around and comforting them, etc. That’s not easily done.

People barely listen to doctors right now. They will do less when a machine tells them what is wrong.

 

[noxibox]

Other countries also have shortages. That's why they're often willing to snap up foreign doctors. Some even pay medical staff to move. So South Africa not only has to have the means to produce more doctors it also has to be a place they'd want to stay.

This will absolutely not work. All it will end up being is another conduit for corruption and bribery. Government will make sure 3rd rate 'donators' own these private institutions thus perpetuating the influx of 3rd rate doctors in this country.

Corruption is a possibility. It always is with private business. But as long as the school is vetted by reliable organisations and graduates are required to demonstrate a minimum skill level there shouldn't be a problem. But if universities in South Africa were producing doctors that had not met standards and they're being registered as doctors then it is questionable whether a private school would do any better.

 

[Packer]

People barely listen to doctors right now. They will do less when a machine tells them what is wrong.

A machine will diagnose for a local trained to the standard of a para-medic / nurse / human relations person. Someone who can administer tests and follow AI medical directions. Communication between the AI and the patient is mediated by this person. They’ll pass on any news.

 

[krycor]

I for one refuse to be treated by a 3rd rate doctor, as is my right.

As long as you realize that, eg, if you in a major city in SA, the 3rd rate doctor could be white! (So good luck if you racist)

LOL

I’m not even joking sadly but they will charge 300%. If you ask me specialists need a rating system but administering it would be hard I guess..

Uhm with regards to the title.. it’s a simple yet complex problem. SA has 3-4 main cities (jhb-Pta can be one?) and very little has changed from 94 to now in regards to how people choose to distribute themselves.

This leads to an abundance of specialists in the main centers but a shortage elsewhere. 2ndly most try and swing over to private (because working in hospitals you need to deal with snowflakes and the politics of the “in crowd” who aren’t always the best either, lots of work which is good if you studying or doing research but money isn’t as good as private for effort) leading to again, a lack of specialists in the public service. (Not everyone in private kills themselves with work as they get use to slower pace).

Combo that with the slow development time needed to produce a specialist, something like 12 to 15 years (exp requirements and avg completion times) and you can see this is not gonna be fixed fast.. kinda like most of SA problems.. it takes time to produce the right people.. and if you have racism of either form(ironically black professionals leaving SA costs us more btw because of how it impacts society).. you have skill flight which kills the economy.

What’s my point? Until people stop with stupid divisions it’s likely that we will just end up in a worse position going forward. People love blaming BEE and AA which is dumb because that’s not what’s killing SA. It boils down to crap living conditions vs crime, salary can’t compete with abroad and then u have a few racists to deal with, people trying to claim you incompetent until they get someone that kills them haha.. and then people go.. Uhm, I’d rather deal with being an immigrant and getting paid a lot.

So yah.. sa will suffer and at some point, when PIT taxes become unbearable (we likely gonna go up again) people will realize they cause their own problems.

 

[Sarg3_ZN]

Hopefully Angie is listening to this one and taking notes, next year they should introduce a few new subjects for the little ones to learn, Herbalist, Sangoma... Witch Doctor... eh Traditional Healer.
Which could open the doors at tertiary level to study a degree in Medicine Decolonized.

 

[Mila]

Educated people are leaving the country, the brain drain isn’t ‘white’.
They are leaving because the country turning into a proper shythole. Who wants to practice their trade at our horrible state hospitals?
And with the National Health scam coming they will be going even quicker.