On the contrary - it is very much the issue.This is such a non-issue. Do you think the child had any free will to be rebellious and do you think god knew this was going to happen, and then still let it happen?
Nope you telling me what I believe and doing it again. Considering you don't believe in organizations (churches) and have made up your own beliefs like Charles Manson and Joseph Smith you arguments are about as valid as theirs.I am not trying to tell you what to believe.
I am trying to make you understand what it is you believe.
Literally the opposite of what you where sayingIt means not my feelings/emotions.
I don't believe you for a second on this, I have questioned you on this point because if you were a "hardened Atheist" (there is no proof God exists) then in order to believe in God proof had to be presented.BTW - I understand your anger/rage and irrational thinking better than most.
I used to be a hardened Atheist, and behaved in the same way.
Okaaayyy then.Nope you telling me what I believe and doing it again. Considering you don't believe in organizations (churches) and have made up your own beliefs like Charles Manson and Joseph Smith you arguments are about as valid as theirs.
Literally the opposite of what you where saying
I don't believe you for a second on this, I have questioned you on this point because if you were a "hardened Atheist" (there is no proof God exists) then in order to believe in God proof had to be presented.
You then went on to tell me nothing changed, which either means you were never an Atheist (most likely) or you never told me truth about this proof. Either way makes you a liar and is a bit sad that you have to go to these extremes to prove yourself right.
I have no rage towards anyone but don't suffer fools, I do understand your rage always being proven wrong is irritating but the penny will drop eventually.
That's the whole point. To tire you out. Ponderer isn't here to debate sincerely. He gets his jollies from these threads by asking a stupid question, prompting you to write out a whole essay to which he responds with the equivalent of a grunt and another stupid question. Rinse, repeat.Fking hell these Ponderer loops are getting tiresome.
And your contribution to this thread is?That's the whole point. To tire you out. Ponderer isn't here to debate sincerely. He gets his jollies from these threads by asking a stupid question, prompting you to write out a whole essay to which he responds with the equivalent of a grunt and another stupid question. Rinse, repeat.
This section might be called "philosophical debates", but it's a long shot from a real debate section. Debates are moderated and trolls like that one gets removed.
Is that not the most correct answer I can answer.You quite often accuse others of intellectual dishonesty, but that is exactly what you are now doing.
You ask for proof, refuse to define/stipulate such proof, and then claim that you are not intellectually dishonest.Is that not the most correct answer I can answer.
I know it wouldn't be walking on water because I've seen Chris angel do that so quite honestly I have no idea.
Only God can answer that and he's "missing" I guess is the term.
So please explain how I'm being a hypocrite or another argument of ignorance from you?
If you say "one thought I have" then it either means intentionality is true and materialism is false or you really do not have a thought (thought are about something ... intentionality)With hard determinism, purpose and intentionality would be regarded differently. These words would only describe the perceived function and observation from a specific point of view or frame of reference. These words would have no metaphysical attachment to anything.
So when I speak of a purpose in hard determinism language, I would be merely describing an assigned function or the suitability of something. That function is arbitrary and is nominated only in my immediate interaction, only in the moment.
When I speak of intention in hard determinism language, I would be merely compartmentalizing a subject and ascribing a perceived pattern to it from my frame of reference. My (subject) intention is to do X (pattern).
One thought I have: It might be a consequence of sensory/knowledge limitation and being stuck in a frame of reference that commands our perception and language on any given subject. We can only reference things, not relay the direct experience. It ain't easy speaking in meaning you're hard-wired against.
Blah blah blah. You're not pointing out any home truths. You're waffling over things and then when you get an answer you can't respond to that answer. Sounds more to me like you're the one projecting who cannot face the reality about his own convictions. Sounds more like you're the one needing validation.Here we go with this projecting again. Is it my fault you guys are having a few home truths pointed out that you clearly don’t want to have to consider they might apply to you? Maybe you should stay away from debating your beliefs if you can’t handle it? I’ve said multiple times in this thread and others “who said I’m right”? I’ve said many times enjoy your religion, you clearly are comfortable with it. But nope, you clearly all have to have approval from the world and need validation. And then when you get questioned, we end up like this.
Personal attacks. Very classy. Except I’m not anonymous. I’ve been to meets and met a few people from here. They know who I am, so does my wife after 28 years of marriage btw. And you are very welcome to meet me at any time and I’ll happily sit and talk to you.
Funny how you think it’s okay to randomly talk about these things socially. Is this because maybe you lot are used to preaching? You are certainly used to having a prayer before a meal or event where you don’t know everyone in attendance and don’t care if they are Christian or not. You are, so that’s all that counts.
But yeah, easy to point the finger at the bringer of bad news and things you don’t want to have to consider. But if you don’t want to hear what I think about your religion, why are you here talking about it?
Go and enjoy it. Who said I’m right?
Except clearly I am when Techne still hasn’t answered his accusations and you say I’m avoiding them. Point them out and I’ll gladly have a look. If I’m wrong I’ll happily concede. My life doesn’t depend on it.
Oh sorry, I’m being an obnoxious snot nose kid again. I guess that happens anytime you read something that messes with your world view.
Uh... I just turned your argument around. So if I'm projecting then so were you.I never said that, but then again, this is projection city.
Yeah they are. Wonder who started them...Wew Lad, the Ad-Hominems are getting crazy now.
Huh? Where did I say that? Or is this just more generalisation?One day you will also realise that bad things don't happen to you because your preferred version of god is angry with you, but instead because there's no other way the thing could have happened. God is not needed in such an instance or equation, not now, not ever. So perhaps, when you fall off your high horse, you will also realise this.
I don't know. I don't believe he does. Perhaps he does but I don't believe he has an effect on me or my life. I also don't see how it has a bearing on my belief in God.So humor me please: Does Zeus exist?
Or do you take the ground of undecided agnosticism regarding Zeus, Santa & Allah because you're unable to deny their existence by virtue of having no proof of their non-existence?
If that's true, then how do you worship God with all your heart knowing other gods might be real?
Redefine things however you want. Still doesn't change that you have a belief about that something.No, once something enters your mind, you form an opinion.