WikiLeaks founder rape probe reopened

Na-iem said:
Seems like wikileaks has got some really p1ssed off people after them. I guess I'm not really surprised.
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If you piss of the Americaneeze you will get pwned. No matter what your guilt. Im losing a lot of respect for America quickly in all of this. America`s "dirty tricks" feels so much like Scienologies fair game practice.
 
porchrat said:
They weren't used interchangeably at my university.
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Replication

The pronuclei migrate toward the center of the oocyte, rapidly replicating their DNA as they do so to prepare the embryo for its first mitotic division.
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Even your source of information uses the terms interchangeably - in reference to human ovum which is in the process of fertilisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization

There really is no practical or significant difference between a zygote and embryo. Once the mother and father's DNA is integrated the first division starts (the whole process occurs very fast so that the integration of the DNA goes hand in hand with the first mitosis) and two daughter nuclei are produced which are identical as the process is mitotic in nature. The mitosis then continues and the embryo becomes 4 cell based and then 8 and so on. So your harping on this has absolutely no meaning and suggests you don't understand the process which is going on. The differentiation is pretty artificial as the whole thing is a process - so fertilisation is not even completed yet (DNA of mom and pop haven't combined yet) the cell is preparing for its first mitotic division.

Really... you're doing it again? More attempts to put people down based on their qualifications? Seriously dude where do you get off on this? I mean if you were some sort of PhD in everything I could understand it but you're a chiropractor. You really are not in a position to do that. Unless "chiropractor" is a code word for "qualified in every field" you're just being arrogant.
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Who said I was a chiropractor? You called me a 'doc' so in response what 'cute' term may I use for you? Mr? Prof? Doc? (PhD)?

Secondly you're so confident that you know better than a State Prosecutor, I asked for the reason why. Maybe you are a Swedish law hobbyist. Who knows.

I don't want to argue with you but I want to state for the record that:
1. You brought up arrogance first.
2. You brought up how I feel about Assange and so accused me of simple bias.
3. You admitted your mistake to Gary but refused to do it to me, instead patronised me with 'chiropractor', 'doc' and 'embryo-zygote mess'.
4. Your final reply - "told you so" is also condescending and quite rude in nature.

I don't want to argue with you but ad hominem attacks on this forum are against the AUP.
 
w1z4rd said:
If you piss of the Americaneeze you will get pwned. No matter what your guilt. Im losing a lot of respect for America quickly in all of this. America`s "dirty tricks" feels so much like Scienologies fair game practice.
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My verdict on "guilty tricks vs. actually raped someone" is out until I see the evidence and here the story from both sides.

Assange is hurling a lot of accusations around. He is definitely getting media attention but the sort of attention he is getting is maybe not the best thing for him and Wikileaks right now.
 
w1z4rd said:
Im curious. Which has more repeat offenders. The Swedish/ Icelandic way... or the American way? You do the math :)
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Aren't most offenders from poverty and broken families in the US? Did you factor that in?
 
PeterCH said:
Even your source of information uses the terms interchangeably - in reference to human ovum which is in the process of fertilisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization

There really is no practical or significant difference between a zygote and embryo. Once the mother and father's DNA is integrated the first division starts (the whole process occurs very fast so that the integration of the DNA goes hand in hand with the first mitosis) and two daughter nuclei are produced which are identical as the process is mitotic in nature. The mitosis then continues and the embryo becomes 4 cell based and then 8 and so on. So your harping on this has absolutely no meaning and suggests you don't understand the process which is going on. The differentiation is pretty artificial as the whole thing is a process - so fertilisation is not even completed yet (DNA of mom and pop haven't combined yet) the cell is preparing for its first mitotic division.
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OK doc. If you say so. Clearly you are more qualified in all fields of all things sciencey than everyone who has ever lived. You're also smarter than Stephen Hawking. I'm glad the researchers of the world can sleep easy now knowing you're on the case of everything with your expertise in every field. Armed with the power of Wikipedia we can all bathe in your awesomeness. Wow I feel better already.


Who said I was a chiropractor? You called me a 'doc' so in response what 'cute' term may I use for you? Mr? Prof? Doc? (PhD)?
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I don't recall. Are you saying you're not a chiropractor?

As to titles I hate titles. Just call me porchrat. If you feel the need to add a "Mr." to it then fine. Maybe the disclaimer "(not as awesome as PeterCH or Stephen Hawking)" if it makes you feel better about yourself?


Secondly you're so confident that you know better than a State Prosecutor, I asked for the reason why. Maybe you are a Swedish law hobbyist. Who knows.

I don't want to argue with you but I want to state for the record that:
1. You brought up arrogance first.
2. You brought up how I feel about Assange and so accused me of simple bias.
3. You admitted your mistake to Gary but refused to do it to me, instead patronised me with 'chiropractor', 'doc' and 'embryo-zygote mess'.
4. Your final reply - "told you so" is also condescending and quite rude in nature.

I don't want to argue with you but ad hominem attacks on this forum are against the AUP.
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How is "chiropractor" patronising? A few of my close friends and family are chiropractors actually. There is nothing wrong with being a chiropractor. I merely pointed out that being a chiropractor does not make you an expert in everything. Which it doesn't. If you think the term "chiropractor" is patronising then that is your problem, not mine.

1) Yes I brought up arrogance because your standard response is often to ask about qualifications.

2) You are biased. We are all biased. That is part of being human. In fact I haven't made up my mind myself how I feel about this Assange dude but I'm definitely leaning towards "prat". Hence bias.

3 & 4) I admitted my mistake. Not to Gary, to everyone. Did I say in that response "gee Gary I hereby admit to you personally that I was wrong"? Nope. You then jumped in with what amounted to "I told you so" unless I'm otherwise mistaken. Which added pretty much nothing to the conversation.
 
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w1z4rd said:
If you piss of the Americaneeze you will get pwned. No matter what your guilt. Im losing a lot of respect for America quickly in all of this. America`s "dirty tricks" feels so much like Scienologies fair game practice.
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How do you know it was the US? Wikileaks has published stuff from hundreds of countries and sources. If this is a set up... it could be from any one of those "aggrieved" parties trying to get back at him. Do you just pick the USA as the source of the set-up because they were the last to be embarrassed by a leak? (actually I think Belgium was the most recent were they not?).
 
Garyvdh said:
How do you know it was the US? Wikileaks has published stuff from hundreds of countries and sources. If this is a set up... it could be from any one of those "aggrieved" parties trying to get back at him. Do you just pick the USA as the source of the set-up because they were the last to be embarrassed by a leak? (actually I think Belgium was the most recent were they not?).
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Those sneaky Belgians!

I'll bet Jean Claude is in on this! Using his Universal Soldier powers to track down Assange. :p
 
porchrat said:
My verdict on "guilty tricks vs. actually raped someone" is out until I see the evidence and here the story from both sides.

Assange is hurling a lot of accusations around. He is definitely getting media attention but the sort of attention he is getting is maybe not the best thing for him and Wikileaks right now.
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Im pretty much in the same boat. The factors I am considering other than what we know from the media is

1) Assange does not (in my opinion) seem to fit the pshycological profile of a rapists. Though I could be wrong here as I dont know that much about him.
2) The timing of the case. I mean, after he dumps a lot of the documents this all of a sudden happens? I cant wait till theres more information.

Im leaning towards "dirty tricks" at the moment.

PeterCH said:
Aren't most offenders from poverty and broken families in the US? Did you factor that in?
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Pity America is not more Swedish and using their financial system. Imagine that, if they adopted the Swedish way the average family would have more money and repeat offenders would become less :)

Garyvdh said:
How do you know it was the US? Wikileaks has published stuff from hundreds of countries and sources. If this is a set up... it could be from any one of those "aggrieved" parties trying to get back at him. Do you just pick the USA as the source of the set-up because they were the last to be embarrassed by a leak? (actually I think Belgium was the most recent were they not?).
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You can blame the Belgium's, my money is on the US. I picked them not because they were the last, but because they had the biggest and most dangerous leak. I have being close to wikileaks for as long as they have being around. Heck I think I was the first one to mention them here on this forum and I know a couple of the people involved. Im basing my opinion on stuff I hear in my circles.
 
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I'm alleging that it's dirty tricks from the Americans for now.
 
w1z4rd said:
Im curious. Which has more repeat offenders. The Swedish/ Icelandic way... or the American way? You do the math :)
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How can you repeat offend when you aren't even convicted in the first place. As is the case with 90% of rape accused in Sweden

I'd prefer it if a rapist doesn't go to prison for a meager period of time of luxious R&R at my expense. So I prefer the U.S way.



A 30-year-old man who repeatedly raped two 17-year-old girls during a frightful 16-hour car ride through southern Sweden was sentenced on Friday to seven years in prison.

The Linköping District Court convicted the man for aggravated rape, assault, and unlawful deprivation of liberty and was also ordered to pay the girls a total of 445,000 kronor ($56,000) in damages.

The man had previously been convicted for aggravated rape and sexually abusing a child, but was released from prison in January 2008 after serving four and a half years of a seven year sentence.

The new conviction stems from an incident which took place in early March 2009 when the 30-year-old man and his girlfriend convinced the two 17-year-old girls go join them on a car trip from Hultsfred to Linköping.

The 30-year-old lured the two teenagers into the car by claiming that his girlfriend, who was also friends with the girls, was ill.

Not long into the journey, the man pulled a knife on his passengers, locked the doors and threw all mobile telephones out of the car, warning:

"If everyone just obeys this will go fine. Follow my instructions and you will live," according to court papers.

The two girls were then forced to sit on the floor of the car in silence.

The 30-year-old also bound and assaulted his girlfriend, who stayed in the car out of fear for reprisals, while her boyfriend pulled over in desolate areas on several occasions to rape and beat her two friends.

In the early 1990s, the man had also been sentenced to court ordered psychiatric care for assault.

However, the court determined he wasn’t suffering from any serious mental illnesses at the time he committed the crimes for which he has now been sentenced.
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7 years of "humane rehabilitation" for him.
 
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