Will Icasa confiscate FSO used to sell Internet?

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http://www.redlinecommunications.com/products/RedCONNEX_AN50e.html

The AN-50e system delivers an over the air rate of up to 72 Mbps, equivalent to 49 Mbps at the Ethernet level. With a robust non line of sight (NLOS) capability, long IF cable support for tower and high rise installations, audible antenna alignment and diagnostic capabilities for Ethernet and wireless, the AN-50e addresses the most challenging of deployment scenarios and makes installation and support easy. The AN-50e boasts software selectable channels that can be assigned during deployment on a best-performance basis.

The AN-50e system operates in the license exempt 5.470 - 5.725 GHz and 5.725 - 5.850 GHz bands and includes advanced technologies to address potential inter cell interference issues.

Here is the pdf file that links to the link given:
http://www.redlinecommunications.com/news/resourcecenter/productinfo/Redconnex_an50e.pdf

Operating in the 5.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz unlicensed bands, Redline's groundbreaking OFDM technology delivers an industry-leading 72 Mbps and supports long range operations of over 80 km (50 mi) in clear line of sight (LOS) conditions.

Their product is Wimax certified which is a trademark. Claiming you are Wimax certified while not is a criminal offence in the USA and SA. Clearly only Wimax can do 80km.

Why is this stuff not available in Sa?
 

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Here is the pdf file that links to the link given:
http://www.redlinecommunications.com/news/resourcecenter/productinfo/Redconnex_an50e.pdf

Operating in the 5.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz unlicensed bands, Redline's groundbreaking OFDM technology delivers an industry-leading 72 Mbps and supports long range operations of over 80 km (50 mi) in clear line of sight (LOS) conditions.

Their product is Wimax certified which is a trademark. Claiming you are Wimax certified while not is a criminal offence in the USA and SA. Clearly only Wimax can do 80km.

Only WiMax can do 80km? Oh crap. My Entire Network is a lie then. This wireless network that spans the whole of Ireland is a myth. I've been sitting here, imagining my job into existance?

Why is this stuff not available in Sa?

It is, you idiot. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Seriously. Just shut up.

(I've had about 2 hours of sleep today. Fighting with REAL Wimax equipment, in a REAL telecoms environment. So excuse the lack of civility.)
 

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Oh and its 42Mbps Ethernet traffic (which is what I'm guessing Wifybabycakes will want to put on the link)

And something tells me that SPECIFIC product isn't WiMAX certified since they don't actually specifically claim it to be, they just mention their RedMAX range of products, which the AN50E doesn't seem to be a part of...

Fail on your part AGAIN wifybabycakes
 

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'''Patent: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6868236/fulltext.html Terabeam ''':
Method for combining multiple optical beams in a free-space optical communication system. Multiple optical beams of the same wavelength reduces atmospheric effects (Siedrovich SPIE Jan.2002) and increases the optical power for extended distance transmission.

The patent idea can be used to increase the Ronja FSO system http://ronja.twibright.com/mesh.php from 1.4km, 2.5km to 10km.

Combine multiple [[TransimpedenceAmp]],http://bit.ly/10Mi8h - (http://luxeonstar.blogspot.com) into fiber pigtails from http://thorlabs.com[[RonjaChips]](http://bit.ly/2hKngp) focus the combined 10meg LED based design through a loupes (13cm)Tx and receive the optical signal with a Fresnel lens of any size(20,30,40cm). A single Lumiled HPWT-BD00 as per http://luxeonstar.blogspot.com achieves 2.5km with Tx 11cm Loupes and 20cm Fresnel lense Rx. With 13cm Loupes at both Tx and Rx the distance is 1.4km. The larger the lenses the longer the optical distance. There aren't any jewelers loupes available larger than 13cm for Tx(transmission), but Fresnel lenses(Rx receiving) can be obtained in any size from [[OpticalManufacturers]]. By combining multiple [[FiberLed]] resonant cavity leds or Lumileds HPWT-BD00 as presently used in [[RonjaChips]](http://bit.ly/2hKngp) the optical power is increased by orders of magnitude for perhaps a 10km link using LEDS alone which don't have the atmospheric effects that inhibit laser based systems and they are eye safe.
 

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So have you tried any of your hairbrained schemes yet wifybabycakes?

Or are you just posting drivel again?... and why the hell would a i want a 10meg Point to Point link that maxes out at 10km, for whatever the cost is, when I can do a much faster wifi point to point link over MUCH larger distances, and I'm guessing for cheaper than your pet FSO stuff...
 

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'''Patent: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6868236/fulltext.html Terabeam ''':
Method for combining multiple optical beams in a free-space optical communication system. Multiple optical beams of the same wavelength reduces atmospheric effects (Siedrovich SPIE Jan.2002) and increases the optical power for extended distance transmission.
The patent idea can be used to increase the Ronja FSO system http://ronja.twibright.com/mesh.php from 1.4km, 2.5km to 10km.

"........http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/11/study-shows-patents-stifle-innovation/
This kind of confusion is typical of a document that has a distinct air of desperation about it. It suggests that the fans of intellectual monopolies are beginning to flail around for a handhold – any handhold – in an attempt to defy the pull of history, and to lock down knowledge through the use of overlong copyright and overbroad patents while they can. It is a further sign of increasing irrelevance of the G8 meeting as power begins to shift to the developing world, which has quite different ideas and priorities when it comes to enforcing Western monopolies on their internal markets......."

Combining multiple leds or lasers to increase the optic power is an obvious innovation, something that can't be patented just like any other idea or concept can't be patented or copyrighted. Take Lipitor for example which is a statin product that reduces cholestrol. We should setup our own manufacturing labs. and crank out 40mg lipitor products ourselves. Presently the USA who have active trade sanctions against us preventing us from exporting food is plundering Billions of dollars we don't have.
 

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=== Design flaws in Ronja ===
Ronja uses discreet analogue components instead of the commercial IC [[TransimpedenceAmp]](http://bit.ly/10Mi8h) TZA3033 and TZA3034. The Ronja LED transmitter though is an innovative design. With LED based FSO systems the transmission side of things is where the difficulty lies because of the limited bandwidth compared to laser systems. With Laser FSO atmospheric conditions becomes the problem resulting in unacceptable transmission errors which can only be corrected with Reed-Solomon on [[FpGa]](http://bit.ly/13Zlxl) and [[OpticPatents]](http://bit.ly/n3CTH) methods.

Replace the analogue receiver side of RONJA [http://ronja.twibright.com/mesh.php http://ronja.twibright.com/mesh.php] with the SONET 155Mbit/s TZA3033 and TZA3034 design as per http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/download_datasheet.php?id=1009741&part-number=TZA3033T. The datasheet clearly shows how the TZA3033 interfaces with the TZA3034. University of Chicago based a design for the CERN project on this as per [[TransimpedenceAmp]](http://bit.ly/10Mi8h). The TZA3034 post amplification stage, PECL signal interfaces with the RONJA Ethernet Manchestor encoding logic. Using the the TZA3033 considerably simplifies the design because no manual calibration is needed making mass production a cost effective option. Reverse engineer a normal 15Mbit/sSONET fiber(cable) optic switch to get the PCB layout and Gerber files for the photodiode(light receiver), transimpedance(TZA3033) and amplifier to PECL logic(TZA3034) stages.

The TZA3034, PECL (emitter coupled logic stage) interfaces with the RONJA Manchestor encoding stage, reducing the entire RONJA design to one of simple boolean logic instead of a complex analogue calibrating mess which it is at the moment. The TZA3033 allows a bit rate of 155Mbit/s much more than the 10Mbit/s of RONJA. Thus our attention can focus on switching the Lumileds HPWT-BD00 at 20Mbit/s over RONJA or using 200Mbit/s high frequency rate LEDS like RC-LED(resonant cavity LED) coupled with the Terabeam patent to increase optical power. See the http://www.firecomms.com/tech-RCLED.html entry under [[FiberSwitches]] on using RC-LED over plastic instead of copper. During night time or where there isn't much atmospheric interference or over short distances lasers can thus be used to achieve 155Mbit/s. By daisy-chaining multiple of these cheap laser based optic FSO stages(50meters) a very high speed back bone can be created over extended distances that might be stable enough for certain periods(100% up-time not guaranteed with a laser but is with a LED) if Reed-Solomon[[FpGa]] error correction is used. With FSO(laser and LED) as with a fiber switch, unlimited repeater nodes can be created, something which can't be done with RF technology such as Wi-Fi.

=== Hacking FSO designs ===
There are many single chip FSO solutions that implements the entire optical,electrical,Ethernet stage one either a single or two chips such as http://www.micrel.com/_PDF/mic3001.pdf. Contact them to find out which companies have released commercial products in FSO using their chipsets then reverse engineer those boards releasing the PCB, Gerber files on the Internet.
Get hold of a commercial FSO system such a from http://www.pavdata.com that uses a LED to get hold of the hardware interface stages which is where all the complexity lies. With laser based systems the issue is software. Hack the design and publish on the Internet.
 

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Lol, I heard captainwifi was normal before a freak wifi accident...
 

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There is one more that remains.... its the tinfoil() function as well.. its a BIT broken though
 

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Why don't you ask Doug Steyn for all of this this maybe all answered. Well,
Wimax like Linux is just software, don't be over-awd with the fancy chips, capacitors and general techno babble. The hardware platform implements FFT and Viterbi mathematical routines stage. One issue here is prototyping the 802.16 IEEE but any hardware platform can be used here. Yes, its true that releasing the design implementation of something that is patented (802.16 isn't patented it is an IEEE standard) either software or hardware isn't illegal, because the patent is supposed to protect the IP from being commercialized. But because of technology anything can now be manufactured on a small scale or different parts mass produced for final assembly. ;)

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802.16 IEEE but any hardware platform can be used here. Yes, its true that releasing the design implementation of something that is patented (802.16 isn't patented it is an IEEE standard)

True but the math algorithms 802.16 uses such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed-Solomon have over 8000 patents(http://www.patentstorm.us/search.html?q=reed-solomon&s.x=0&s.y=0&s=s). Wimax is crippled compared to LTE because it can't handle multi-path dispersion issues as well as the LTE protocol stack. The issue can easily be resolved by using the best concepts in Reed-Solomon, Viterbi as implemented in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution and implementing it in Wimax. Trouble is you then no longer have a 802.16 compliant device, you would have the best possible communication device known to man though. Totally useless outside of South Africa. If it isn't 802.16 compliant it doesn't matter it would only be an issue for CPE manufacturers like Intel. All sorts of standards, protocols, patents and committees while the technical engineering solution is just as available as a FFT is available.

South Africa is probably the only country in the world where we can hack the best designs from LTE and Wimax and release it for use on 2.4 , 5.8. In the USA all devices must be approved by the FCC, same for UK, France. And in those countries you can't play the fool like we do with ICASA - you go to jail.

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Blah blah blah blah... (I haven't read the post.. too much effort)

Have you tried any of this yourself yet wifybabycakes?

If the answer is no, then please go away.. try it yourself then come back and talk to us.
 

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=== Focusing multiple LEDS via a Fresnel lens unto a fiber cable for a 400Mbit link over 10km===
Multiple 400Mbit/s resonant cavity LEDS are stacked onto a heatsink, transmitting via a collimator,[[FresnelLens]] to the Phillips TZA3023(transimpedance) with TZA3044(post amplifier to PECL logic). The TZA3023 allows 1.25Gig througput see [[TransimpedenceAmp]].

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4902089/fulltext.html which expires 2010 relates to a solar ray collecting device in which the sunlight, focused by the use of a [[FresnelLens]], is effectively guided into a fiber optic cable. Adapt this patent and use multiple [[RonjaChips]] http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/228353/LUMILEDS/HPWT-BD00.html stacked side by side onto a heatsink, then focus this LED energy through the [[FresnelLens]] fiber combination to create a point LED light source. This fiber light source in turn is focused(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collimated_light) through a collimator(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collimator) Fresnel lens combination to transmit an optical signal over 10km as per http://www.modulatedlight.org/Modulated_Light_DX/OpticalComms4Amateur79.html. Note that modulatedlight.org said that a point light LED source isn't possible, the patents mentioned solved the problem.

Another idea is to focus the [[FresnelLens]] energy unto a CPC (compact parabolic concentrator) and then unto fiber optic cable as per
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6384320/fulltext.html. Mutliple fiber cables combined are focused on to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collimator.

Or Stack multiple LEDS onto a heatsink and shine first into a CPC from http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/Compound_Parabolic_Concentrator/87379/0 or http://www.edmundoptics.com/Onlinecatalog/displayproduct.cfm?productID=3093 , the CPC then focus this LED energy unto a [[FresnelLens]] which guides this into a fiber optic cable. Multiples of these cables can be spliced together to increase the energy of the fiber point source as per http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6868236/fulltext.html.
 
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Since you're such a smartypants wifybabycakes...

Please point us in the direction of where you have actually tried this yourself, and it has been more economically viable than doing something with existing off the shelf technology.
 

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=== Way to extend a USB datatream ===
A novel way to extend a USB camera stream with fiber cable from the Linux compatible BT878 Connexent chipset(Startech SVID2USB2) is to couple the 5volt PECL USB logic to a LED or laser driver and interface with a OM5804 Receiver demoboard for 155/622/1250 Mbps prototyping platform available for purchase from China here - http://bit.ly/BmDuS. After getting it to work a more compact board can be made(4 or 6layer). The board uses the Phillips TZA3023 chipset with its datasheets and description at [[TransimpedenceAmp]](http://bit.ly/10Mi8h). This concept can be extended to any type of digital data implemented with an USB or Ethernet data stream. I believe single fiber strands are actually cheaper than running CAT-5 cable over extended distances and it allows for the use a digitized video stream directly form the source. Listed below are MPEG-2 based analogue-video/USB converters. USB can only go 5m and analogue -to - Ethernet cameras are much more expensive. I have looked long and hard for a solution and believe this is the most efficient way of concentrating multiple digitized camera streams over any distance at a single source using off the shelf mass produced equipment. Instead of using fiber the Ronja FSO design can be deployed which will be a more cost effective solution over longer distances.

The BT878 outputs its data in PCI format, thus an [[FpGa]] IP would be used to convert the PCI signal to USB or Ethernet. The IP core could be anything over $10000. Startech has probably done this using a custom ASIC device, as [[FpGa]] would be to costly for mass production. Reverse engineering the PCB would be trivial to do, the hardware is the easy part, the software IP cores is the issue.



* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882203057 ''Linux based USB mpeg-4 capture''
* Startech SVID2USB2 uses BT878 chipset and available from http://www.newegg.com
* http://www.startech.com/item/SVID2USB2-USB-2-Video-Capture-Cable.aspx
 
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=== Way to extend a USB datatream ===
A novel way to extend a USB camera stream with fiber cable from the Linux compatible BT878 Connexent chipset(Startech SVID2USB2) is to couple the 5volt PECL USB logic to a LED or laser driver and interface with a OM5804 Receiver demoboard for 155/622/1250 Mbps prototyping platform available for purchase from China here - http://bit.ly/BmDuS. After getting it to work a more compact board can be made(4 or 6layer). The board uses the Phillips TZA3023 chipset with its datasheets and description at [[TransimpedenceAmp]](http://bit.ly/10Mi8h). This concept can be extended to any type of digital data implemented with an USB or Ethernet data stream. I believe single fiber strands are actually cheaper than running CAT-5 cable over extended distances and it allows for the use a digitized video stream directly form the source. Listed below are MPEG-2 based analogue-video/USB converters. USB can only go 5m and analogue -to - Ethernet cameras are much more expensive. I have looked long and hard for a solution and believe this is the most efficient way of concentrating multiple digitized camera streams over any distance at a single source using off the shelf mass produced equipment. Instead of using fiber the Ronja FSO design can be deployed which will be a more cost effective solution over longer distances.

The BT878 outputs its data in PCI format, thus an [[FpGa]] IP would be used to convert the PCI signal to USB or Ethernet. The IP core could be anything over $10000. Startech has probably done this using a custom ASIC device, as [[FpGa]] would be to costly for mass production. Reverse engineering the PCB would be trivial to do, the hardware is the easy part, the software IP cores is the issue.



* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882203057 ''Linux based USB mpeg-4 capture''
* Startech SVID2USB2 uses BT878 chipset and available from http://www.newegg.com
* http://www.startech.com/item/SVID2USB2-USB-2-Video-Capture-Cable.aspx

*sigh*
Right, the BT878 is an analog TV tuner chipset. How the f*** is that easier to use than a simple IR LED and phototransistor running some sort of beefed up irda implementation?

You really don't have a clue. Trying to fit square solution pegs into round problems holes because they're the same colour.

Just Give up. Please. For the sanity of everyone else. All you're doing is spreading stupidity.
ENOUGH ALREADY.
 

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daffy : I think it just puts random concepts together... and hopes someone will believe the BS it spews forth...
 

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ah
sweet, light relief at the end of the day
I asked ICASA if they would indeed confiscate FSO used to sell Internet and they wanted to know if i had your address
 
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