Windows 11 system requirements - Bad news for old PCs

Messugga said:
So I had a quick look and it appears that Apple supports hardware give-or-take 8 years old, on their latest OS. Maybe Microsoft is looking to emulate their model a bit more closely?
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Win10 was already M$ emulating Apple and Linux.... the only things they do is copy ideas from others and try to force the market towards themselves.... they are basically pirates.

If a Linux distro had half the resources that M$ has it would be a real Desktop competitor.... but as it is no one is desperate enough yet.
 
elf_lord_ZC5 said:
Not an issue here, Linux is more than good enough.
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It's better than it used to be but for many things even win10 is better. The disparate communities are stuck in a "don't rock the boat" mentality where they design for themselves rather than actual users who get confused or frustrated with command line.

There are exceptions like Mint but..... they lack the resources to really create something spectacular.

I feel like Ubuntu was a horse and pony show with ADHD..... I would have loved either Mint, Manjaro or Fedora to have been a new Ubuntu.
 
Microsoft making sure the chip shortage is an even bigger mess.

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rambo919 said:
Most people will either keep running a out of date win10 (assuming M$ does not disable it at some point) or be forced to start using linux.
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I'm not entirely sure. Laptop sales eclipse desktop sales by a very significant margin and is expected to grow even more. I can't remember when last I had a laptop work well for 8 years. It seems they're built to be more and more disposable, with batteries not capable of upgrade and such.
Stats from a quick Google search says average computer age current is 4 years. 8 year old computers being actively used would be an absolute exception, based on these figures. I guess you represent a fringe case Microsoft finds insignificant enough to not care about.
 
elf_lord_ZC5 said:
No the OS should not drive hardware requirements. M$ is hoping that the hardware will cover their inability and unwillingness to make Windows a secure operating environment.
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I think there is something systemically wrong with M$..... could just be death via internal bloat. SO MANY things they do make no sense whatsoever..... like their useless defunct answers site.
 
Messugga said:
I'm not entirely sure. Laptop sales eclipse desktop sales by a very significant margin and is expected to grow even more. I can't remember when last I had a laptop work well for 8 years. It seems they're built to be more and more disposable, with batteries not capable of upgrade and such.
Stats from a quick Google search says average computer age current is 4 years. 8 year old computers being actively used would be an absolute exception, based on these figures. I guess you represent a fringe case Microsoft finds insignificant enough to not care about.
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M$ only cares about M$
 
Messugga said:
I'm not entirely sure. Laptop sales eclipse desktop sales by a very significant margin and is expected to grow even more. I can't remember when last I had a laptop work well for 8 years. It seems they're built to be more and more disposable, with batteries not capable of upgrade and such.
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Partly its because laptops fall apart more easily and partly it's because many people order parts from various places instead of a full PC from one place.

And you must have noticed how laptops have become increasingly impossible to repair.

Messugga said:
Stats from a quick Google search says average computer age current is 4 years. 8 year old computers being actively used would be an absolute exception, based on these figures. I guess you represent a fringe case Microsoft finds insignificant enough to not care about.
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That might be true in the first world.... but I can tell you from experience it's closer to 10-15 in SA outside of the corporate sector. You can throw a figurative rock in any direction and hit multiple people still using 2nd gen machines, the exceptions being the Core2's and D's.
 
RedViking said:
Microsoft making sure the chip shortage is an even bigger mess.

Best affordable replacement for i7-6700K CPU?
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If you replace that chances are you are gonna have to replace the mobo and RAM too..... especially in 4 years.

Like most of us you are going to have to find a compatible TPM chip somewhere.

EDIT: cries in perfectly fine laptop with only TPM 1.2....
 
rambo919 said:
Partly its because laptops fall apart more easily and partly it's because many people order parts from various places instead of a full PC from one place.

And you must have noticed how laptops have become increasingly impossible to repair.


That might be true in the first world.... but I can tell you from experience it's closer to 10-15 in SA outside of the corporate sector. You can throw a figurative rock in any direction and hit multiple people still using 2nd gen machines, the exceptions being the Core2's and D's.
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K and why would Microsoft care about areas with low hardware sales and probably even less software sales? Why support things you have little opportunity to make profit on?
 
rambo919 said:
If you replace that chances are you are gonna have to replace the mobo and RAM too..... especially in 4 years.

Like most of us you are going to have to find a compatible TPM chip somewhere.

EDIT: cries in perfectly fine laptop with only TPM 1.2....
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But 1.2 is going to be supported, no?
 
I think there may be 3 computers at work that would support this upgrade, zero at home.

Ahh well.
 
Messugga said:
K and why would Microsoft care about areas with low hardware sales and probably even less software sales? Why support things you have little opportunity to make profit on?
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The problem is they are clearly over-shooting optimal target machines. Even in the first world people are starting to keep older hardware for longer as their economic situations are worsening.
 
rambo919 said:
That might be true in the first world.... but I can tell you from experience it's closer to 10-15 in SA outside of the corporate sector. You can throw a figurative rock in any direction and hit multiple people still using 2nd gen machines, the exceptions being the Core2's and D's.
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Sheesh, just looked up the date on my motherboard. 2009! o_O
 
rambo919 said:
The problem is they are clearly over-shooting optimal target machines. Even in the first world people are starting to keep older hardware for longer as their economic situations are worsening.
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I'm sure they have access to very accurate stats, more so than anyone else. There is no way they don't know exactly how many actively used machines will be compatible with Windows 11.
 
MS "We will work with you to validate your experience."
Wonderful guinea pigs.
Doing MS R and D for them.
Fkm.
 
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