wireless router not working wit adsl

jinx

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i have a linksys wireless router BEFW11S4. when i connect it to the marconi ethernet modem it refuses to communicate with it, hence i get no connection to the internet (my pc can ping the wireless router, but not the modem)

my settings are:

wireless router:
ip address: 192.168.1.1
subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
DHCP is enabled
Obtain automatic ip address is also enabled

modem:
ip address: 192.168.10.200
connection via PPPoE with username and password

the modem is connected to the WAN port on the wireless router, with a cross-over cable. the activity lights flash on the router.

pls help, this is just nuts!!
 

dikbek

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try setting all the subnet masks on all devices on the network to 255.255.0.0
 

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jinx,

The Marconi probably suffers from the same problem as most of the entry level ADSL routers. The problem is that they don't do real routing on your LAN, just NAT.

What happens is that your Linksys router is assigning an IP address to your client and then routing from that IP to the range which your Marconi is on.

This means, the traffic from 192.168.1.0/24 is passed to the 192.168.10.0/24 range where the Marconi is. The Marconi sees the traffic from 192.168.1.0/24, but, it is only willing to NAT or carry traffic for the 192.168.10.0/24 subnet.

There are three ways to fix this. The first is dikbek's method, setting the subnet mask to 255.255.0.0, thus masking off just 16 bits instead of 24, which will mean that in effect you are using the subnet 192.168.0.0/16, making 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.10.0/24 appear to be on the same physical network. In such a case, your Marconi might be willing to route and NAT the traffic from your 192.168.1.0/24 IPs, but I still wouldn't count on it. In fact, I doubt if the Marconi will even let you change its IP address or subnet mask, I've never worked with them, but all I get is bad reviews.

The second method is to set your Linksys router up to perform NAT operations. In this way, traffic from your 192.168.1.0/24 subnet will be masked to appear as if it is coming from the Linksys router's IP on the 192.168.10.0/24 subnet. This will mean the Marconi modem sees only one machine (in this case, your wireless router) on the network. All your wireless machines are hidden from view behind the Linksys. This method is more elegant than the first, and should be possible to set up on the Linksys, but is still not recommended. In effect, you will have a NAT behind a NAT. In such cases, expect problems with some connections, including SSL web traffic, and expect Kazaa/other P2P, IRC DCC and FTP (except for PASV mode) not to work at all.

The third and preferred method to do this would be to set up your Linksys to act only as a wireless bridge. I'm fairly certain it would support such a mode. Check the documentation.

Basically, what you need is to configure the Linksys router, not to route traffic, but only to bridge it from the wireless LAN to your ethernet LAN. Check if the AP has a "client enabled" DHCP mode. I'm sure it should have, possibly by another name, but what you want is a DHCP mode where the AP itself gets its IP via DHCP from the Marconi and also "proxies" DHCP traffic from the wireless LAN to the ethernet LAN. In effect, your Marconi will be handing out IPs to all your machines, and your entire LAN, ethernet and wireless, will appear as if it is inside the same subnet.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by podo</i>
In fact, I doubt if the Marconi will even let you change its IP address or subnet mask,
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The IP and subnet on the Marconi can be changed, so that might be the easiest solution.
 

jinx

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thanks for the help podo, but i'm still struggling!

i have checked the documentation for my Linksys wireless router, it doesn't mention anything about bridging. it has an option though which asks "gateway" or "router", from which i have to choose one. any clue what that would mean? is that the bridge option...?

also, i can't change the subnet mask on the wireless router...
all options are 255.255.255.x

also, should i change the modem's ip to 192.168.1.x (assuming the wireless router is set to 192.168.1.1)? and what would the subnet's be?
 

jinx

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oh, Andre and dikbek thanks for the help as well...read my reply to podo all help would be appreciated!!
 

quik

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Wait just a sec...

If your linksys wireless router has a WAN port that probably means it supports connecting through PPPoE.

What you need to do is reset your Marconi/ADSL router POTS, which switches it into bridging mode, thus disabling all routing from the ADSL routers side and letting your wireless router handle the routing. In effect the Marconi router then acts as a ADSL modem only. To do this you connect to the ADSL router and select "reset to factory default".

Then you set up PPPoE on your linksys router selecting static PPPoE with IP address 192.168.10.200. (Note that some routers prefer dynamic PPPoE and discovers the IP of the modem by itself)

I've done this with my D-Link Wireless router and it works perfectly. I can use all the features of the router such as DynDNS without having to worry about the ADLS router's config.

I think this is a better option than having the Wireless router bridge as the ADLS router's config is a mess and it's internal firewall cannot be switched off. Another great product from telkom, I should never have taken the Telkom router, a simple R300 D-Link modem would have been sufficient.

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jinx

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quik,

yep, linksys has a WAN port...

however, i followed your instructions, this is what i did:

reset the marconi modem (to bridge)
changed the linksys router to PPPoE (doesn't give option for static or dynamic).
the linksys doesn't give me an option anywhere in its setup to specify the ip address of the marconi.

so after an hour...
it's still not working!

you mentioned something about a D-link modem...
which d-link modem are you using, and where did can i buy it from?
 

podo

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jinx,

Most retailers should be able to order the D-Link modems for you. I have a D-Link DSL300G, which works just as a bridge, PPPoE runs on our FreeBSD machine, but you should be able to use your Linksys's PPPoE client without much hassles.

The DSL-300G was R750 when I bought it, I'm sure you should be able to find it for close to that price.

Will

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quik

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So what options do you have under PPPoE?

D-Link modem price is still the same at about R750, soz there are cheapies for R300, bu not the D-Link, most suppliers such as Pinnacle sell it. Or you can try your local PC shop.

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jinx

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thanks, will check it out.

i got no option under PPPoE.
PPPoE is an option itself, no sub options under it.
 

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Dear Jinx,

Wireless networks are always tricky no matter what you do, because there are so many damn factors to take into consideration. I do not know if you have fixed the problem yet, but here is my 2c worth.

The IP address on the Wireless Router (192.168.0.1 with subnet 255.255.255.0) is not a problem. In fact for the DHCP server option to work you will need it to be exactly that. Your Wireless Router has a built in DHCP server and I assume you know what it does.

The ADSL modem should be plugged into the far left slot of the switch. It should not be too difficult to find the appropriate slot as it is marked WAN.

DO NO USE CROSSOVER CABLE!

Replace the crossover cable with a proper network cable (NOT CROSSOVER) and link the ADSL modem with the Wireless Router.

Your individual machines will connect through the wireless network and the Wireless Router as if it were just an ordinary hardwire network on a switch, which is why you must make sure everything works before worrying about getting connected to the Internet.

Each PC connected to the router with a wireless NIC should be told to get their respective IP’s via DHCP, which will be server by the wireless router.

Setup PPPoE on each of the machines telling them to use the wireless NIC to send the info through.

As soon as this has been done you should be connected to the Internet. Note that the BIG OBVIOUS flaw in your setup was the CROSSOVER cable between the MODEM and the ROUTER.

Let me know if this helps.


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