Wirelessly Linking 2 flats

[Muttley]

Hi all,

A friend has asked me to help him wirelessly link up his flat to his friend.
They live in the same complex and their units are separated by a driveway so Ethernet cable is out the question - I aint trenching their driveway

The point to point distance is +- 10M with line of sight.

I initially thought of using a pair of Ubiquiti 2Ghz Nano station Loco M2's but then realised that their will be quite a bit of congestion on the 2Ghz channels and that the performance may be severely affected. There are about 50 units in this complex.
I then decided that I should rather go for a pair of 5Ghz Nano Station Loco M5's.

Has anyone used these and if so, what's the experience been like?
Is this a viable solution?

 

[EasyUp Web Hosting]

I would assume they need to get landlord provably first for mounting the devices. Yes, go with the 5Ghz equipment and it should work without issue. Will be costly though.

Edit: Would that tree obstruct LOS?

 

[Muttley]

I would assume they need to get landlord provably first for mounting the devices. Yes, go with the 5Ghz equipment and it should work without issue. Will be costly though.

Edit: Would that tree obstruct LOS?

Thanks- his friend is chairman of the body corporate so they can sort that out before I do anything.

So there is a tree and a carport but I can make a plan to get LOS.

Any idea what type of performance I can expect?

 

[Slootvreter]

2Ghz will work fine for that.

I have a +-1km link using two Ubiquiti PowerBeam M2-400 radios, with some trees obstructing the way, and get 140Mbps aggregate.

30Mhz channel width at 2417Mhz.

Not sure what you need this link for. I notice a lot of Ubiquiti devices have 100Mbps ports, it's mainly the 5GHZ AC devices that have 1Gbps ports.

 

[Muttley]

2Ghz will work fine for that.

I have a +-1km link using two Ubiquiti PowerBeam M2-400 radios, with some trees obstructing the way, and get 140Mbps aggregate.

30Mhz channel width at 2417Mhz.

Not sure what you need this link for. I notice a lot of Ubiquiti devices have 100Mbps ports, it's mainly the 5GHZ AC devices that have 1Gbps ports.

Thanks for this.

They're running a small business from the one spare room and would need to transfer large files between the units.

 

[Slootvreter]

Thanks for this.

They're running a small business from the one spare room and would need to transfer large files between the units.

You will get amazing throughput with 5Ghz AC NanoBeams, but remember to drastically lower the transmit power, seeing the distance is only 10m.

IMHO, 2ghz will work perfectly.

 

[Muttley]

You will get amazing throughput with 5Ghz AC NanoBeams, but remember to drastically lower the transmit power, seeing the distance is only 10m.

IMHO, 2ghz will work perfectly.

Brilliant... will do so. Thanks

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Outdoor LAN cable from the roof, through the tree, over the garage and into the next roof. Done.

 

[Muttley]

Outdoor LAN cable from the roof, through the tree, over the garage and into the next roof. Done.

I thought about that:
1. I hate using that stuff... just the thought of terminating the ends makes me
2. The Body Corporate will never allow it.

Thanks tho

 

[EasyUp Web Hosting]

Just my 2C, if you can make plan to get LOS, then you should be able to make a plan for running a UTP cable. I would rather try to use outdoor UTP aka STP or even fibre. Fibre isn't that expensive and you just need to get someone to do the splicing for you and use 2x converters, especially if this is going to be long term...

Edit:

I thought about that:
1. I hate using that stuff... just the thought of terminating the ends makes me
2. The Body Corporate will never allow it.

Thanks tho

:wtf:

 

[paul5186]

If there is clear Los you can also get a pair of the Mikrotik 60ghz units, you will get a full gig throughput with no interference.

Alternatively a pair of ubiquiti ac units will net around 200-300mbps in 30mhz or 40mhz.

 

[Muttley]

If there is clear Los you can also get a pair of the Mikrotik 60ghz units, you will get a full gig throughput with no interference.

Alternatively a pair of ubiquiti ac units will net around 200-300mbps in 30mhz or 40mhz.

Thanks...
I'm quite a noob in terms of the Mikrotik stuff- I'm really intrigued by their stuff but it's not the most noob friendly.
I think I'll settle on the Ubiquiti stuff

 

[Slootvreter]

If there is clear Los you can also get a pair of the Mikrotik 60ghz units, you will get a full gig throughput with no interference.

Alternatively a pair of ubiquiti ac units will net around 200-300mbps in 30mhz or 40mhz.

60GHz will work, but is really expensive for this kind of thing I think.

You should get way more than 300Mbps with 5Ghz AC over 10m

It should be noted that 60Ghz does not like rain too much, and a proper 60/80Ghz link should have a 5Ghz backup.

 

[paul5186]

60GHz will work, but is really expensive for this kind of thing I think.

You should get way more than 300Mbps with 5Ghz AC over 10m

It should be noted that 60Ghz does not like rain too much, and a proper 60/80Ghz link should have a 5Ghz backup.

The Mikrotik stuff is less than R3000ex at suppliers and should be available in two weeks. That's for a full link, i.e two antenna. It is already pre-configured like a transparent ethernet bridge.

 

[Geoff.D]

What is the Budget? That will sort out quite a few options.
Is it permanent? If not the wireless is a better option.
Anything will do frequency wise over that short distance.
Interference and hacking into the link is more of a concern that anything else. 5 GHz is more directive and less prone to interference -- Use good antennas and lower the output power!

 

[Muttley]

Budget is about R3500 plus a bit for installation and setup.
For now, I need to assume that it's permanent.

 

[Slootvreter]

The Mikrotik stuff is less than R3000ex at suppliers and should be available in two weeks. That's for a full link, i.e two antenna. It is already pre-configured like a transparent ethernet bridge.

Yeah, not a bad price, compared to the MetroLinq or BridgeWave stuff

Just make sure your LOS is 100%. Not even a twig or cable or something in the way.

And rain is a real issue for 802.11ad, just be aware of that. I know the Metrolinq radios come with a built-in 802.11n backup for such occasions.

 

[bdt]

Not to make light (ha) of the situation, but seeing as you did say large file transfer, Koruza FSO gives you GbE, or even TEN gig over the airgap! Or you could just stay with the 2GHz band (better tolerance of that danged tree), and crank your Tx power way down.

 

[RoganDawes]

Also consider this thread, if each of the premises will have their own uplink. https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...ect-two-separate-networks-together?p=20276587

If they will share an uplink, so much the better!