With people avoiding smart IDs, Home Affairs says green books are an identity theft hazard

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Home Affairs warns people who refuse to replace green ID books

Many South African citizens are avoiding applying for their smart IDs, but the Department of Home Affairs has warned that not upgrading places people at greater risk of having their identities stolen.

Some have said that long queues at home affairs branches are putting them off, while others believe they should get their first smart ID card free since the government decided to change the documents, not them.
 
There is a simple answer to this. Banks or other institutions shouldn't accept any other form of ID besides the smart ID. Government cannot regulate itself out of a paper bag.
 
These #@&$# will do anything to force people onto the smart ID system against their will. Plastic coating the ID page of the book is as secure as every single Passport issued in the last 15 years, the department is talking nonsense they are just hell bend on forcing everyone onto the control system. I will be getting a green ID book and that will be my last ID.
 
As an after though, of course the smart ID is in fact a government money making racket just like every other licensing venture they undertake, the real objective is the money they loot not the quality of the documents. the DA are leading the charge to the gates of hell,... left wing muppets.
 
Bad Ballie said:
These #@&$# will do anything to force people onto the smart ID system against their will. Plastic coating the ID page of the book is as secure as every single Passport issued in the last 15 years, the department is talking nonsense they are just hell bend on forcing everyone onto the control system. I will be getting a green ID book and that will be my last ID.
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You do know that even with the green ID book you're on their system right? The smart ID is harder to forge, while a green ID book is really easy and is one of the reasons for identity fraud.
Not sure where you'll get a new Green ID book from but sure, keep thinking you're being smart and going against the man.
 
PRs still cannot apply for a card. Its green book or nothing. Not a matter of being smart or not
 
Bad Ballie said:
As an after though, of course the smart ID is in fact a government money making racket just like every other licensing venture they undertake, the real objective is the money they loot not the quality of the documents. the DA are leading the charge to the gates of hell,... left wing muppets.
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Wow, do you have enough tin foil to wrap your house there? Cause you can really blurt some weird theories there.
Firstly how is it a money making scheme? You pay once, you don't need to get it done again, unlike your passport and drivers license card.
So you're happy that the green ID book is easy to forge and people are having their identities stolen. Okay
 
All good and well DHA wants to get every body, onto the new ID Card.

But all these bullshit statements and articles are meaningless until the DHA gets it's arse into gear, and fixes all the corruption, and useless staff at it's branches, and is able to process applications, quickly and efficiently. They have no right to expect people to stand hours in queues - wasting economically valuable time.

They want, and have a need for the citizenery to have the, new ID cards, the onus is on them, to see that they can process the applications, speedily, efficiently and effectively, with minimum down time, to, especially those, who are still actively contributing to the economy. Those on grants, can afford to stand in queues, till doomsday arrives. Those of us contributing to the economy - don't have that luxury.
 
Bad Ballie said:
These #@&$# will do anything to force people onto the smart ID system against their will. Plastic coating the ID page of the book is as secure as every single Passport issued in the last 15 years, the department is talking nonsense they are just hell bend on forcing everyone onto the control system. I will be getting a green ID book and that will be my last ID.
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You will be getting a green ID? Where have you been the last couple of decades ballie ?
 
Lupus said:
Wow, do you have enough tin foil to wrap your house there? Cause you can really blurt some weird theories there.
Firstly how is it a money making scheme? You pay once, you don't need to get it done again, unlike your passport and drivers license card.
So you're happy that the green ID book is easy to forge and people are having their identities stolen. Okay
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You sound like someone who has already waited hours at HA and got their ID card and is trying to justify their actions onto others.

My 30 year old ID book is quite safe in my draw from forgery.

HA should just phase it out naturally when ID books get lost (or destroyed in the wash) or people apply for the first time. Then when everyone with a ID book has died from old age then the job is complete. Or make HA trip take 15 minutes max from start to finish.
 
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chrisc said:
PRs still cannot apply for a card. Its green book or nothing. Not a matter of being smart or not
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Didn't they say in Phase X, PRs and Naturalised Citizens will be able to apply for the ID Card. Not sure if we're in that phase or not, but that is why I haven't bothered. And seen as they are forcing it, the first one should be free, really.
 
wingnut771 said:
You sound like someone who has already waited hours at HA and got their ID card and is trying to justify their actions onto others.

My 30 year old ID book is quite safe in my draw from forgery.

HA should just phase it out naturally when ID books get lost or people apply for the first time. Then when everyone with a ID book has died from old age then the job is complete. Or make HA trip take 15 minutes max from start to finish.
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Yeah I've had an ID card for yonks now, plus people bitch and moan that it takes forever, ok but you do it rarely. Oh no you have to wait in a line for maybe an hour or two once every 20 years or more?
People just love to bitch and moan for everything, oh I don't want to do this cause I have to wait. The old ID book is easily forged, it's holding things back, government should just say that's it, old book no longer valid end of story. They did it for the drivers license in the green ID book.
 
RedViking said:
You morons. We are not avoiding dumb ID cards, we are avoiding home affairs you useless incompetent bunch. Home affairs is a cesspit. Most of your home affair branches can't even do plastic ID cards you dense bricks.
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Yup, plus the banks that were doing it haven't really gotten anymore, as branches closed as well.
 
Lupus said:
Yeah I've had an ID card for yonks now, plus people bitch and moan that it takes forever, ok but you do it rarely. Oh no you have to wait in a line for maybe an hour or two once every 20 years or more?
People just love to bitch and moan for everything, oh I don't want to do this cause I have to wait. The old ID book is easily forged, it's holding things back, government should just say that's it, old book no longer valid end of story. They did it for the drivers license in the green ID book.
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I will not queue for hours, at a Spur/Steers for a table. Niether will I stand in a queue at DHA for whatever reason. Them being, corrupt, incompetent, and plain useless, is no excuse what so ever for their lack of ability to render an efficient working service to the Tax paying citizens of this country
 
Lupus said:
Yeah I've had an ID card for yonks now, plus people bitch and moan that it takes forever, ok but you do it rarely. Oh no you have to wait in a line for maybe an hour or two once every 20 years or more?
People just love to bitch and moan for everything, oh I don't want to do this cause I have to wait. The old ID book is easily forged, it's holding things back, government should just say that's it, old book no longer valid end of story. They did it for the drivers license in the green ID book.
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HA in the 90's was a nice place.

I was last at HA in Feb this year to register my dads death. The funeral home organised everything and had someone to meet me there where they took me straight to the front of the queue, scanned my fingerprints and I was done. Took 5 minutes.

The time before that was probably 10 years ago where I organised a passport through the passport people with a similar service where you meet someone from them and they take to straight to the front and scan your fingers, take a photo and are done in 5 minutes. It looks like this service is no longer available now that my passport has expired. I now have to navigate HA website and pay and make booking at the bank, hope that goes okay, I've heard horror stories.
 
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