Woman jailed over headscarf

[koffiejunkie]

This is the USA and not the UK ( ) or any other would be Islamic country.

The rules are the rules and are to be obeyed. If you dont like them then go back to where you came from. The US is not a Muslim state unlike the UK

Easy on the bigotry.

 

[Jase]

So if my wife and I goto to any middle eastern country where they require her to wear a headscarf, can we refuse on the grounds that we are not muslim and that it would be an offence to our christian beliefs to emulate a muslim religion? Would the authorities understand and make an exception?

 

[BCO]

@ marine: I actually don't know what you mean - it seems to me that you're implying that the US is not a Muslim state, but rather a Christian state. IS that what you're saying?

 

[adelp]

So if my wife and I goto to any middle eastern country where they require her to wear a headscarf, can we refuse on the grounds that we are not muslim and that it would be an offence to our christian beliefs to emulate a muslim religion? Would the authorities understand and make an exception?

But that is respect for others, it's their country. This happened in the USA, they do not base their laws on muslim laws.

 

[Solitude]

So if my wife and I goto to any middle eastern country where they require her to wear a headscarf, can we refuse on the grounds that we are not muslim and that it would be an offence to our christian beliefs to emulate a muslim religion? Would the authorities understand and make an exception?

That is an excellent way to put it in perspective. Westerners are supposed to follow the laws in Muslim countries, then surely it should be the other way around too.

 

[CathJ]

So if my wife and I goto to any middle eastern country where they require her to wear a headscarf, can we refuse on the grounds that we are not muslim and that it would be an offence to our christian beliefs to emulate a muslim religion? Would the authorities understand and make an exception?

Probably not, because there's nothing in the christian religion that says you can't.

Look, it's all about balancing offense. If Person A wants to do something that is terribly important to them, but offensive (but not harmful) to Person B, then you have to weigh it: is the importance to Person A more or less critical than the offense to Person B?

In my opinion, if Person A wants to wear a headscarf into court, and doesn't pose a security risk (since they still go through the metal detector), Person B's offense isn't as critical. But if Person A has a strongly held belief that, oh, all infidels should bend down before them, Person B's offense is more critical. It's all about balance, and taking each thing on a case by case basis.

 

[adelp]

That is an excellent way to put it in perspective. Westerners are supposed to follow the laws in Muslim countries, then surely it should be the other way around too.

+100

They do not allow masked people in court, so take it off or wait outside.

 

[supersunbird]

Oh come on. Obviously there's a difference between actual, recognized religions and something that you've made up. Now if you truly believed you had a divine epiphany and that this is what you are required to do... well, you'd be more likely treated in a mental hospital, but other than that it would have to be dealt with on a case by case basis, and you'd have to be convincing that it is something you truly believe and aren't just trying to cause trouble.

Is there? Is there really?

 

[marine1]

Easy on the bigotry.

No I am just sick of people coming into the country and then dictating to that country on how to riun things, it is not their country and have no right to tell them how to run it. There are rules and regulations and if you do not subscribe to those ideals then leave. Islam hates the west anyway so....

@ marine: I actually don't know what you mean - it seems to me that you're implying that the US is not a Muslim state, but rather a Christian state. IS that what you're saying?

No it is what Wiki is saying
78.4% of adults identified themselves as Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
Islam (0.6%), so maybe they should look elsewhere if they do not like the way things are run there?

 

[mo_mia]

The irony is that in Islam, uttering the expletive would be just as sinful as removing the scarf.

 

[marine1]

That is an excellent way to put it in perspective. Westerners are supposed to follow the laws in Muslim countries, then surely it should be the other way around too.

+10000000000000

 

[adelp]

I thought wearing the scarf was a personal choice?

 

[Phenom]

No, we only need to respect peoples freedom to believe, so long as it is out of public, and doesn't effect any other people, but only the adult who holds the beliefs.

 

[marine1]

Fair enough but when you go against the rules / laws of a country then you are dead wrong and need to be taken to task over it.

 

[mo_mia]

marine, do you know why your bigotry is obvious?

Where should she go back to? What country do all these Muslims come from?

Lisa Valentine is a 3rd generation native of Alaska. Should she be shipped off to Saudi Arabia because she is Muslim?

Where should the Christians in this country be sent back to?

 

[Phenom]

IMO, Scarves are fine (on the street only). The problem is the Mosque's prayer call (for reasons of noise pollution, and the very same that Islam doesn't allow people of other religions to pray out loud, even in their own places of worship - see Dhimmi status), the total Hijab, a total Hijab should also be alright, only that it will threaten security and we won't be able to make use of security cams, and people won't be able to identify the person. Same as wearing any other mask in public.

The problem lies when say muslim hair-dressers, want to wear scarves, and they get fired, just as anyone else who wanted to wear a headscarf (while one of the critical requirements of the job is to show hair), then they sue. They have no right, religion should be solely personal, and you would be subject to the very same treatment as everybody else. Muslims should also not expect, from the public, to be treated any differently from a person in a pumpkin costume

 

[CathJ]

Is there? Is there really?

Yes, there really is.

 

[charlie_82]

No I am just sick of people coming into the country and then dictating to that country on how to riun things, it is not their country and have no right to tell them how to run it. There are rules and regulations and if you do not subscribe to those ideals then leave. Islam hates the west anyway so....

Wow now how narrow-minded & bigoted can you be?
Lets take muslims in SA as an example...

Firstly, we did not come here to try and change the way the laws work, we were brought here by the trade companies many years ago, mostly against our will. I was born in SA, so were my parents and grand parents & great grand parents etc etc... So does that mean because I am muslim I don't have a right to have my religious rights respected?

Secondly, I may not be the most dedicated of followers, but I am muslim and I take acception to your comment that we all hate the west!

If you're gonna make an argument at least try to make a half-intelligent one instead of blatant hate speech.

 

[marine1]

What I am trying to say is that obviously she believes in Islam before the the laws of the country which she is entitled to do. If she puts her faith in her god before the laws of the country that she lives in then clearly there is going to be a problem as they are clearly conflicting. Maybe she should look at going to love in a country that caters for her religious beliefs?

THE LAW !!
"Kelley Jackson, a spokeswoman for Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, said state law doesn't permit or prohibit head scarfs.
"It's at the discretion of the judge and the sheriffs and is up to the security officers in the court house to enforce their decision," she said."

Where did it say in the original story that she was a 3rd gen American? Still cannot find that information.
So because I support the laws of that country and am against a certain religion dictating to a western country I am a bigot? ROFL
A

 

[charlie_82]

I thought wearing the scarf was a personal choice?

Not according to the core muslim beliefs...
A woman is meant to be covered from head to toe & only her husband may see her