Woman jailed over headscarf

[krycor]

I have no time whatsoever for those who emigrate to, for example, the UK and then bitch about their laws.

They have the option of buggering off back to where they came from.

how many generations back do you want to go back?
The same can be said about SA and bee/aa etc.

 

[BBSA]

ROFLMAO what a joke more thumbs down.

Do you really have to continue with childish post like these?

Look, you have insulted the muslims on this forum. Now get over it and apologise to them. Show some maturity man.

 

[daveza]

how many generations back do you want to go back?
The same can be said about SA and bee/aa etc.

Re-read my post.

I was referring to those who emigrate - as in those who have never lived in the UK but who have family as UK citizens which grants them the right to emigrate to the UK..

 

[marine1]

Do you really have to continue with childish post like these?

Look, you have insulted the muslims on this forum. Now get over it and apologise to them. Show some maturity man.

When dealing with someone like you, yes I do, it is the only language you understand.

 

[adamr]

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2443362,00.html

I say good, you want to live in a country, respect the rule of law and the rules of the courts there otherwise go back to where you came from.
This is the USA and not the UK ( ) or any other would be Islamic country. If you going to live in that country respect their laws. Simple as that !!

Whatever happened to respecting other peoples beliefs or cultures, even IF it seems so absurd to you ...

marine1 you an idiot for such a post ... with a post like this above you certainly cant be having an IQ higher than 10 ... time you grew up and realised there are plenty types of people in this world with varying cultures and beliefs ...

See what you don't realise, it starts with the headscarf then why not take it one step further, Jail someone if he/she is practising Islam ... hey why not!
then move onto the Jewish people ... jail the guy for wearing a kippah ... where will it stop? there honestly is so much more to worry about in this world then someone's attire ...

EDIT: I think you need to go back to that black hole you came from ...

 

[marine1]

Whatever happened to respecting other peoples beliefs or cultures, even IF it seems so absurd to you ...

marine1 you an idiot ... with a post like this above you certainly cant be having an IQ higher than 10 ... time you grew up and realised there are plenty types of people in this world with varying cultures and beliefs ... (I wonder if you even have friends)

See what you don't realise, it starts with the headscarf then why not take it one step further, Jail someone if he/she is practising Islam ... hey why not!

EDIT: I think you need to go back to that black hole you came from ...

Brilliant post and it shows you missed the story completely. What happened to the rulke of law? Ok lets just throw that out of the window. Law means nothing right? You Probably believe that kids also can do as they please
Varying cultures and beliefs still need to respect the law of that country.
Did you even read the article and see why she was jailed?
Do you honestly think being called names is going to change the facts?

You guys are missing the point and trying to take the focus off the incident. If you are a citizen, resident or guest in a country you HAVE to obey the laws there, it is NOT South Africa where you can do as you please.

Funny that in countries like Iran and Syria if Muslims change their religion they are jailed and probably killed. Thats fine hey?
What a load of absolute BS.
Will not go down to your level and name call.

 

[adamr]

...
Did you even read the article and see why she was jailed?

just curious if a nun was in this court, would she also have to remove her headgear ... or a Jewish person with a kippah ... not saying its not the case, just wondering

Maybe i should ask: why is headgear outlawed in the court room? (concealed weapons .. i don't know, someone tell me)

I might retract my view and actually support yours...

Funny that in countries like Iran and Syria if Muslims change their religion they are jailed and probably killed. Thats fine hey?

see with stuff like this said you made it a Muslim issue ... question: do you hate Muslim people in general? (you might have your reasons)

EDIT: Apologies marine1 i was out of line should not have retorted to such a level

 

[marine1]

just curious if a nun was in this court, would she also have to remove her headgear ... or a Jewish person with a kippah ... not saying its not the case, just wondering

Maybe i should ask: why is headgear outlawed in the court room? (concealed weapons .. i don't know, someone tell me)

I might retract my view and actually support yours...



see with stuff like this said you made it a Muslim issue ... question: do you hate Muslim people in general? (you might have your reasons)

EDIT: Apologies marine1 i was out of line should not have retorted to such a level

Hi Adam, I think and I may be wrong, the issue is that it may conceal a persons face or maybe it is just a respect issue for the courts. I dont know. If it was hiding a person's face then I can understand it and a Nun would be in the same situation.
If it was a Jew shouldnt the same apply? I think so, yes I support Israel but there should be laws that apply for everyone and that is my point.
I do not hate Muslims, what I hate is people telling countries that they may be guests in, what to do and how to run things when clearly they have been running things just fine for hundreds of years.
I have mat some Muslim people on this forum who are the coolest guys, some of them who have done me great favours.
I dont know your religion and maybe thats why you feel so strongly about this issue and you have a right to feel that way.

My main issues also is that if I go to Iran, Syria, etc, I have to obey the laws there or be put in jail. Why should it not happen in the US then?
I think it is fair that if you are in any country then you must obey those laws and you have no right to start dictating how you want things run.

 

[Mila]

just curious if a nun was in this court, would she also have to remove her headgear ... or a Jewish person with a kippah ... not saying its not the case, just wondering

Maybe i should ask: why is headgear outlawed in the court room? (concealed weapons .. i don't know, someone tell me)

I might retract my view and actually support yours...

No man she was hidding her face. That is the issue.





This is a good example of the media telling only half the story for sensation.

Oke my bad.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hut0sy7RtvuLIvsTxA8vb-oCslswD954MK2G0

 

[CathJ]

The ironic thing is... they handcuffed her and took her before the judge. So she did appear in court after all, wearing her headscarf

 

[Slaine73]

The ironic thing is... they handcuffed her and took her before the judge. So she did appear in court after all, wearing her headscarf

That is rather funny isn't it

 

[BBSA]

The ironic thing is... they handcuffed her and took her before the judge. So she did appear in court after all, wearing her headscarf

Yes, is it not ironic

Also, There is NO LAW in Georgia prohibiting headwear in court.

 

[slowcheetah]

When there are two crucial witnesses in a court case the one is expected to leave the courtroom and wait outside until it is his/her turn to testify. This enables the court to cross question a witness and hear a more relative (to the witness) version of the story.

That would be useless if a faceless person is sitting in the courtroom. The veiled person might also be a sought-for criminal.

I don't think there is any discriminating factor here. There are many loopholes and ways to get around a system to benefit yourself and hiding your face is definitely one of them.

 

[charlie_82]

When there are two crucial witnesses in a court case the one is expected to leave the courtroom and wait outside until it is his/her turn to testify. This enables the court to cross question a witness and hear a more relative (to the witness) version of the story.

That would be useless if a faceless person is sitting in the courtroom. The veiled person might also be a sought-for criminal.

I don't think there is any discriminating factor here. There are many loopholes and ways to get around a system to benefit yourself and hiding your face is definitely one of them.

Yes that may be true, but her face wasn't covered...

 

[slowcheetah]

Yes that may be true, but her face wasn't covered...

Well then I myself do not see a problem with it. If her face wasn't covered that is. Where does it say her face wasn't covered? Not in the article the OP linked to.

 

[JK8]

Mannheim - A German woman teacher who converted to Islam cannot wear a headscarf during lessons, according to a Regional Court ruling disclosed on Tuesday.

The Administrative High Court in the southern state of Baden-Wuerttemberg ruled that the 58-year-old violated school laws by wearing headgear that served a religious purpose.

The judges overturned a ruling by a lower court that allowed the teacher to wear a headscarf because nuns who taught at state schools were permitted to do so in their religious habits.

The High Court declined to accept the teacher's argument that she should be treated the same as the nuns on the grounds of religious equality.

"I've been wearing a headscarf for 13 years and nobody has taken offence until now," said the teacher at a court hearing on Friday.

The woman became a teacher in 1973 and began wearing a headscarf in 1995 after converting to Islam. - Sapa-dpa

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2290268,00.html
Hypocrites!

 

[krycor]

A photo is worth a thousand words

When there are two crucial witnesses in a court case the one is expected to leave the courtroom and wait outside until it is his/her turn to testify. This enables the court to cross question a witness and hear a more relative (to the witness) version of the story.

That would be useless if a faceless person is sitting in the courtroom. The veiled person might also be a sought-for criminal.

I don't think there is any discriminating factor here. There are many loopholes and ways to get around a system to benefit yourself and hiding your face is definitely one of them.

Yes that may be true, but her face wasn't covered...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hut0sy7RtvuLIvsTxA8vb-oCslswD954MK2G0

Well then I myself do not see a problem with it. If her face wasn't covered that is. Where does it say her face wasn't covered? Not in the article the OP linked to.

Check the quoted link for a photo.. she is no more covered than a nun, basically a pinned down wrapped scarf. Face is clearly visible in pictures.

 

[slowcheetah]

Check the quoted link for a photo.. she is no more covered than a nun, basically a pinned down wrapped scarf. Face is clearly visible in pictures.

Okay. I didn't click on the google link, only the OP's link.

I was thinking more along the lines of a fully veiled women with only eyes visible. My bad.

 

[marine1]

Interesting take:
http://www.ijtihad.org/Impose-Islam.htm

In principle Islam does not advocate imposition of Islamic values on others; there are several injunctions in Islamic sources which make this clear. To cite only two;

“Let there be no compulsion in religion” [Quran: 2:256] and

“To us shall be accounted our deeds, and to you, your deeds. Let there be no contention between us and you: God will bring us all together - for with Him is all journey’s end" [Quran, 42:15].