Woman lays charges against school

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I agree with the majority. If someone was harmed at initiation, then sure, nail them according to the law. Don't know the story though, don't follow news ;)
 

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There is initiation and initiation.

If I listen to what my Dad describes happened during his initiation at varsity, and what is happening now, there is no comparison.

Initiation where blood is flowing is a step too far - and should be rooted.

But there is initiation without humiliation etc which could be lots of fun for all involved.
 

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Stop initiations.... where do u draw the line and who will supervise?
Just stop them all together..
 

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Ok well the thing is I was at that Boarding school from around 2000 and the same thing happened to us... but yeh I undertsnad what ur saying kaspaas the is a difference... but what makes me acid is that this woman doesn't understand what tradition is... i had to go through it and my seniors before me... media also blew things a little outta proportion when they said it was for a kettle which is lies... it was initiation for the Grd 11's joining seniority with the Grd 12's its like a partnership sort of thing...
 

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Stop initiations.... where do u draw the line and who will supervise?
Just stop them all together..

I disagree, initiation was one of the best things that happened to me, from high school to varsity to sports teams etc. Especially varsity and sports teams. Certain initiations were "reserved" for achievements, whilst others brought the group closer together and formed extremely strong bonds.

It is difficult in the supervision factor, but thats why proper leaders/prefects/hostel masters whatever should be chosen. These are people who should know where the line is and when not to cross it.
 

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Hey we had some hectic innitiations for our first rugby team.

But it does join you all as a solid group. I think the problem with this is the following:

. Time lapsed between the time you where on the receiving end and now on the giving end. This makes your mind recall things to be worse than they actually where. Thus you up it a little. Now this carries on for years and years as it's your turn to now dish it out since you received it last year.

This means the bar is risen every time. I agree that it is humiliating, demeaning and just plain nasty. But that is the fun part to it. My varsity innitiation was nothing compared to my 1st Rugby team innitiation as there was supervision at varsity.

But damn it feels good to dish it out and make the others feel the way you felt the year before. And that is the problem. There needs to be rules set out for all innitiations, this way it eliminates the escalation through years as it is happening today.

I'm all for innititations and hard ones at that, but don't let it escalate year on year. If my son gets the same level of innitiation I got then I'm all for it, but I know it will not be even if it's at the same school.
 
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i made mine stand in line at the tuckshop everyday, buying us all pie's and stuff :p

me: "hey want a pie or something...drink perhaps?"
friend: "yeah, but i'm too lazy"
me: "no problem...i'll take care of it....."

to gr7: "hey worm, it's tucky tucky time....now go stand in line!" :D
 

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But damn it feels good to dish it out and make the others feel the way you felt the year before. And that is the problem. There needs to be rules set out of all innitiations, this way it eliminates the escalation through years as it is happening today.

I'm all for innititations and hard ones at that, but don't let it escalate year on year. If my son gets the same level of innitiation I got then I'm all for it, but I know it will not be even if it's at the same school.

that is exactly the problem, initiation has become "lets punish them" instead of being used in the more traditional sense. It will get out of hand and ppl are going to get hurt. Teachers/leaders etc need to re-establish why initiation is done, what the point of it is and what is acceptable etc.
 

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They can just say thank goodness they didnt have to go to the SADF... then they would have known about initiation. But yes, its about time they looked into this rubbish and started to lay down guidelines as to what is allowed and what is not. Some if it is just sheer sadism practised by a lot of overstuffed bullies.
 

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They can just say thank goodness they didnt have to go to the SADF... then they would have known about initiation.
I'm completely in favour of exacting revenge on those responsible in such circumstances.

that is exactly the problem, initiation has become "lets punish them" instead of being used in the more traditional sense.
It hasn't become anything. That is exactly what initiation has always been all about. It has always been brutal and cruel.

I say come down on those involved and come down hard.
 

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I'm completely in favour of exacting revenge on those responsible in such circumstances.


It hasn't become anything. That is exactly what initiation has always been all about. It has always been brutal and cruel.

I say come down on those involved and come down hard.

Have to disagree with you there ...... the initiation I went through was more like what initiation is supposed to be - a 'toughening' experience to make you realise that the group you're seeking 'membership' of is important. What they do these days and call initiation is nothing like the old days, nothing at all. It's just barbarism these days.
 

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read all the above, and still can not see the point of it all.
Lets either draw blood, or just make a fool of the noob, but in a nice way. What the hell is the point. Oh, yes someone mentioned that it makes you a better man. So those of us who never took part in this nonsense are less men than those who did. Sounds stupid doesn't it ?
 

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it gives you a taste of what it's like to be in charge, before you leave school.... so you work harder to become boss again when you matriculate/graduate.
 

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read all the above, and still can not see the point of it all.
Lets either draw blood, or just make a fool of the noob, but in a nice way. What the hell is the point. Oh, yes someone mentioned that it makes you a better man. So those of us who never took part in this nonsense are less men than those who did. Sounds stupid doesn't it ?

I didn't and wouldn't say that it makes you more of a man ...... just at that exact moment in time, it makes you appreciate the team/group/grade/whatever more.
 

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Its interesting how some people are blaming the media for blowing things out of proportion. The reports I've read so far, directly quote the mother & give her version of events. Why not call her or the son a liar? Or why not blame the media when you read about domestic violence or child abuse cases? If it really happened , why does it matter that its in the media now? Would those kids be bleeding less if the story wasn't in the Star?

I think in any situation if the following happens, it needs to be uncovered & stopped:

"His underpants were sopping with blood. What makes it worse is that they didn't give them anything to close the wounds so it kept on seeping and sticking to their underpants, so that every time they took the pants off it opened up the wound again," Kimber said.

If his own father or a nightclub bouncer did that to him, it would be seen as abuse or assault. Why is it not viewed as abuse/assault by some people, if its done on school premises? For tradition? Some traditions are just effed up & need to stop. Foot binding, killing baby girls & female genital mutilation are traditions in parts of China & Africa respectively. Should those just continue for traditions sake?

I'm not against school initiations at all, but I'm against things like this Parktown mess that doesn't do anything positive. I had initiations at school that were really character building. We did things like clean the grounds while wearing bin bags; calling prefects sir & ma'am; pack chairs & equipment for events & get signatures from 100 matrics on these boards we wore around our necks with our baby photos. We also did things like prepare food for the elderly people who played boules across the street from our school. Those things made pupils gain humility without destroying confidence, have pride in the school, get an interest in community service, take part in extramural events & get to know the rest of students better. I gained so much from those experiences.
 

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Have to disagree with you there ...... the initiation I went through was more like what initiation is supposed to be - a 'toughening' experience to make you realise that the group you're seeking 'membership' of is important. What they do these days and call initiation is nothing like the old days, nothing at all. It's just barbarism these days.

Rubbish, it makes it seem like it's important. But nothing important that I ever achieved required any oversight by a bully talking about tradition.
 

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If his own father or a nightclub bouncer did that to him, it would be seen as abuse or assault. Why is it not viewed as abuse/assault by some people, if its done on school premises? For tradition? Some traditions are just effed up & need to stop. Foot binding, killing baby girls & female genital mutilation are traditions in parts of China & Africa respectively. Should those just continue for traditions sake?
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Spot on.
 
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