Workers vow to shut down UAE embassy in Pretoria over discrimination allegations

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they will physically behead you if you don't perform in some countries.

that is their culture, don't use your african standard here. :D :p
LOL at African standards, I think those standards are pretty much universal in most civilized countries, but carry on...
 

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Maybe he meant it in the literal sense. Everyone knows embassies are foreign land.

It's not foreign land though.

The matter of the inviolability of a diplomatic mission was previously clouded by the perception that the territory of the sending state extended to the premises of a mission within the receiving state. Forsyth66 refers to the origin of the rule of diplomatic immunity as follows:

The rule of diplomatic immunity may be traced to one of three theories. According to Grotius, it was based on the notion of extraterritoriality; ie the premises of a diplomatic mission represented an extension of the territory of the sending state. Closely related to this was the idea that the mission was a personification of the foreign sovereign and, on the same ground that the sovereign immunity might be claimed, so, too might diplomatic immunity be claimed. Today, however, it is more widely accepted that diplomatic immunity is based on the simple necessity of enabling the mission to perform its functions properly and efficiently. On this understanding, immunity is normally applicable only in respect of official acts connected with the mission.67
In Santos v Santos68 the court had to decide on the rule of diplomatic immunity. The court held that "diplomatic immunity had, in the past, been based on the notion of extraterritoriality, ie that the premises of a diplomatic mission in the receiving State represented an extension of the territory of the sending State". The court compared the views of a number of modern writers on international law69 and held that "t was recognised that diplomatic immunity formed an exception to the principle of territorial jurisdiction, and this exception rested on the rule of international customary law".

In conclusion the court based its judgment on the view of Akehurst,70 confirming that: "[D]iplomatic premises are not extraterritorial: acts occurring there are regarded as taking place on the territory of the receiving State, not on that of the sending State". The fiction of extraterritoriality has thus been cleared. "Customary international law is law in the Republic unless it is inconsistent with the Constitution or an Act of Parliament."71 The premises of the diplomatic and the consular corps are regarded as the territory of the receiving country. The laws of South Africa apply to citizens as well as to foreigners who are employed in South Africa.

The extent of diplomatic immunities is regulated by articles 29 and 30 of the VCDR. "The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable. He shall not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. The receiving state shall treat him with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity." The private residence of a diplomat is also protected by the same right to inviolability as the person and the mission's premises. Article 31 affords diplomatic agents and their families72 immunity from criminal jurisdiction by the receiving state, from giving evidence as a witness, and from civil and administrative jurisdiction. There are three exceptions to article 31(1) of which sub-section 31(1)(c) may be relevant to this article: diplomatic immunity is not granted in cases of "an action relating to any professional or commercial activity exercised by the diplomatic agent in the receiving state outside his official functions". "Commercial activity" is not defined in the VCDR, given the practical nature of international law.


As for these workers, I doubt Dirco will help given the cosy relations they have with the Arab countries. They would try the police in the sexual related cases as I don't think diplomatic immunity extends to sexual crimes.

Diplomatic immunity extends to all crimes. The only way to prosecute a diplomatic offender is for the receiving country to apply political pressure on the sending country requesting them to waive the persons diplomatic status but they are under no obligation to do so in which case all you can do is expel the diplomat.

A recent example is the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, nobody got prosecuted in Turkey for the murder. Then there was an incident in August where Anne Sacoolas killed someone driving on the wrong side of the road, UK asked USA to waive her diplomatic immunity but they declined and she's back in the USA. There are many more examples out there that include rape, slavery etc and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
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Maybe he meant it in the literal sense. Everyone knows embassies are foreign land.

As for these workers, I doubt Dirco will help given the cosy relations they have with the Arab countries. They would try the police in the sexual related cases as I don't think diplomatic immunity extends to sexual crimes.
Let's clear this up - an embassy is NOT considered foreign soil. There are legal agreements in place, based on the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961, which exempt embassies and diplomats from specific laws but it is still South African soil. If you're pregnant and you walk into the US embassy and give birth, your child will NOT be eligible for US citizenship, as would be the case if the child was born on US soil. This article may help clear it up for you
 
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C4CAT & Co. will change history if need be. Nevermind bothering with international law.
I agree though. Let COSATU toy toy and eventually burn the building to the ground. Saudi Arabia is shite to start with. Over there human rights do not count. The world will be a better place without them and without them.
Lol. Post your alt-history here again.
 

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If you're pregnant and you walk into the US embassy and give birth, your child will NOT be eligible for US citizenship, as would be the case if the child was born on US soil.

Agreed, I do however know of a fluke exception. A friend of my uncles (yes I've met him in person) was born in a us embassy in Kenya to sa parents neither of them being us citizens. He somehow ended up with us citizenship & passport before he was even registered as sa citizen. Nobody seems to know how or why as it should not have happened. Based on his age I would guess he was born during the mau mau uprising.

This concludes today's tidbit of weird useless information.
 

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Let's clear this up - an embassy is NOT considered foreign soil. There are legal agreements in place, based on the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961, which exempt embassies and diplomats from specific laws but it is still South African soil.
But UAE is not a party to nor a signatory of the Vienna Convention and neither is SA.
 

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they will physically behead (real head-to-roll :X3: ) you if you don't perform in some countries.

that is their culture, don't use your african standard here. :D :p

So in the UAE they physically behead employees if they don’t perform their work duty properly?
Source please
 

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So in the UAE they physically behead employees if they don’t perform their work duty properly?
Source please
He posts kak all the time.

I'm sure him and mushroom came from the same womb.
 

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Maybe he meant it in the literal sense. Everyone knows embassies are foreign land.

As for these workers, I doubt Dirco will help given the cosy relations they have with the Arab countries. They would try the police in the sexual related cases as I don't think diplomatic immunity extends to sexual crimes.
The host nation can request the sending nation revoke diplomatic privilege afforded to the person concerned. This seldom happens tho - sending nation usually rather recall the staffer than revoke privilege.
 

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I know of some excellent workers for them in Pretoria and Cape Town ... they want to go to the UAE ... :sneaky:
 

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Let's clear this up - an embassy is NOT considered foreign soil. There are legal agreements in place, based on the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961, which exempt embassies and diplomats from specific laws but it is still South African soil. If you're pregnant and you walk into the US embassy and give birth, your child will NOT be eligible for US citizenship, as would be the case if the child was born on US soil. This article may help clear it up for you
you're clutching at straws & playing semantics joelus.

i have spent 12 years of my life with the us state dept at various missions
the "soil" will forever remain that of the host nation - even if the property was purchased

i'll take this a step further.
from time to time saps have to enter foreign missions for one reason or another - the moment they go through the gate they are compelled to hand over firearms and their powers to arrest etc cease.
only if the mission allows them, may they carry out certain legal functions under host nation law.

the julian assange matter would be a case in point.

having said that, sending nation staffers accredited with diplomatic privilege are bound to comply with host nation jurisdiction when beyond the confines of sending nation compounds - this applies to vehicles etc
 
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