World alert on SA crime - No 1 for violence, tourists told

[GavinMannion]

I have no idea what you just said? Weird that..... Maybe I should put that in my signature?

 

[jontyB]

Look at your post count.

 

[Angelo]

ohh testy....

My problem is the constant whining about everything bad in the country by a large portion of this forum and as soon as facts are published I get called "A leftie", "a liberal", "an ANC supporter", "a government spy" or I get told to pull my head out of "my @ss", "the ground", "the clouds" blah blah blah...

IisCandian contributes nothing but negativity about my country when he obviously knows nothing about it. The same goes for Confedarados.....

You don't like it ignore me, simple really.

1000 posts!! Congrats, the forum needs more sober posters like you!

 

[Syndyre]

I'm sober, mostly!

 

[xtermin8or]

@ BTTB

once again where are your verifiable facts, you rely on the perception that crime is increasing, the only facts we have show that crime is decreasing - it is still alarmingly high - but that is another argument

Tourist figures are increasing - not decreasing - please if you are going to argue do so with facts - not perceptions and ideas

 

[mac_mac74]

So it seems , these are the "post massaged" figures - id love to know what t he pre figures look like:



http://www.capegateway.gov.za/eng/pubs/public_info/C/86878/1

 

[mac_mac74]

The scary thing is , we show things like Israeli / Hibullah war and Afganistan on the news and how many people are dying - is it anything close to the figures in this country ????? - maybe broadcast the "War" in South Africa perhaps

 

[Datura]

The scary thing is , we show things like Israeli / Hibullah war and Afganistan on the news and how many people are dying - is it anything close to the figures in this country ????? - maybe broadcast the "War" in South Africa perhaps

When people hear I spent a long time in Israel they ask me if I was scared... Man that place is like hippyville compared to here!

 

[supersunbird]

I wish Angelo was sober

 

[mac_mac74]

I wish Angelo was sober

well maybe that just explains his comments

 

[Leitmotif]

@ BTTB

once again where are your verifiable facts, you rely on the perception that crime is increasing, the only facts we have show that crime is decreasing - it is still alarmingly high - but that is another argument

Tourist figures are increasing - not decreasing - please if you are going to argue do so with facts - not perceptions and ideas

Where are your verifiable facts? The only *information* that we have is that crime is decreasing. This information from an SAPS increasingly ignoring crimes, telling people to go away. From an SAPS more concerned with image than results. From an SAPS which refuses to allow review of the reporting process, and which requires a lag time before they even bother to report basic details, with little or no breakdown information. What happens to the raw data before it becomes the information we are given?

The SAP has fallen into the ANC trap of driving policy forward no matter what, and burying any data that disagrees.

 

[jontyB]

Where are your verifiable facts? The only *information* that we have is that crime is decreasing. This information from an SAPS increasingly ignoring crimes, telling people to go away. From an SAPS more concerned with image than results. From an SAPS which refuses to allow review of the reporting process, and which requires a lag time before they even bother to report basic details, with little or no breakdown information. What happens to the raw data before it becomes the information we are given?

The SAP has fallen into the ANC trap of driving policy forward no matter what, and burying any data that disagrees.

I and others have repeatedly given him viewpoints from various sources, including insurance companies and reservist police opinions (I work in Insurance and am a reservist) and hospital reports that crime is increasing. He chooses to ignore those and rely on the government statistics - which are more than a year old. In fact, the statistics included in the metering period is for a period 2 years - 1 year ago. One can only lead a mule to water. And even that is achieved with great difficulty.

 

[chiskop]

That's right, because no insurance company has any reason to possibly exaggerate the level of crime.

 

[jontyB]

That's right, because no insurance company has any reason to possibly exaggerate the level of crime.

Oh yeah. We pay hijackers and murderers to commit crimes cos it means more money for us.

Scratch that. We hijack and commit murder cos it means more money for us.

 

[chiskop]

No. All I am suggesting is that it is in insurance companies' financial interests to exaggerate the level of crime, just as it may be in the interests of the police to present stats to show the reduction of crime.

 

[IamCanadian]

Great comeback.

Tip of the week for the Canadian

Use google before posting trash on a forum.

Dude,

I am a South African living in Canada. IamCanadian is from a beer commercial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_Canadian

I'm here for the beer.

Since IamSouthAfrican, I feel that I am qualified to post on this forum. if nothing else, I do bring a side that is of some interest because there are some people here who agree with some of the things I say here. Others may disagree with me but that's OK. I respect that.

I feel sorry for you because you seem to be very frustrated with your situation in South Africa. I remember feeling the same way when I used to live in SA. Like Rodney Dangerfield said "I get no respect" South Africa used to try so hard and still does. The governments of the past and the one today continue this tradition of trying to prove themselves. It filters down to the general public and this is why you have websites like http://www.homecomingrevolution.co.za/?page=2&category_id=33&related_id=1111 trying so desperately to get the 'scatterlings" to come back. You would be hard pressed to find another country with websites like homecomingrevolution begging their expats to return.

It's all about what is happening at the grass roots level in SA.

2010 World Cup, a seat on the security council and being a power house in Africa with rich foreign investors, means nothing if the man on the street is seeing no benefit from all of this.

Whilst women and children and babies are being raped, AIDS rages. homes are barricaded and still not safe, the roads are treacherous and law and order is breaking down on a daily basis, you are sliding down a very slippery slope.

My own feeling is that until things get a lot better for South Africans of all stripes, but especially for the poor, the country will become another decaying African country being taken over by China, albeit at a slightly slower rate than its neighbours.

Drive through Hillbrow and see how things can disintergrate very quickly, and see how close this is happening to the more affluent suburbs. The Hillbrows will encroach slowly and insidiously, no matter how many gated communities and high tech security features homes come with.

What South Africa needs most of all are strong social programs which are well funded by the government, a well trained, well paid and respected police force, equal free public schooling for all, a clean sweep of corrupt government and the hiring of people in the workforce on the basis of ability and nothing else.

If all of the above does not happen soon (and can you see it truly happening?), I am afraid the best and brightest will keep on seeking pastures which can offer them a better future and the beloved country will keep on digging its own hole.

 

[chiskop]

edit: Good morning to you.

Just so we know where we are, when was the last time you drove down a South African street?

 

[bwana]

Since IamSouthAfrican, I feel that I am qualified to post on this forum. if nothing else, I do bring a side that is of some interest because there are some people here who agree with some of the things I say here. Others may disagree with me but that's OK. I respect that.

I feel sorry for you because you seem to be very frustrated with your situation in South Africa. I remember feeling the same way when I used to live in SA.

You left in 1988 - I doubt much is similar today as to what it was 18 years ago.

 

[kilo39]

No. All I am suggesting is that it is in insurance companies' financial interests to exaggerate the level of crime, just as it may be in the interests of the police to present stats to show the reduction of crime.

That is just not logical. More crime equals higher premiums and more unhappy customers. Insurance companies have no interest in boosting crime (there are always other things to sell you insurance on.)

 

[jontyB]

No. All I am suggesting is that it is in insurance companies' financial interests to exaggerate the level of crime, just as it may be in the interests of the police to present stats to show the reduction of crime.

Fair enough. But, there are many crimes causing massive losses for insurance companies - like Cash In Transit crimes. These particular crimes have increased immensely in the past few months, and what's worse, we're now entering the hot season for these and other crimes.