World Cup 2010 Debacle: FIFA Asks America to Stand By to Take Over at Short Notice

[GavinMannion]

And your amazing proof for that outlandish claim?

You should learn not to put dates on the internet, they will bite you in the @ss

 

[Bona Botse]

i really hope all u who r pessimistic about our ability to host the cup r around in 2010 so i can swear at y'all. this country really doesnt need y'all (shows middle finger)

 

[icyrus]

i really hope all u who r pessimistic about our ability to host the cup r around in 2010 so i can swear at y'all. this country really doesnt need y'all (shows middle finger)

You should be careful not to confuse pessimism with realism.

 

[GavinMannion]

Your should be careful not to confuse optimism with stupidity

You should also be careful not to eat bird poo but that is for a different thread.

 

[Bona Botse]

You should be careful not to confuse pessimism with realism.

Your should be careful not to confuse optimism with stupidity

You should also be careful not to eat bird poo but that is for a different thread.

(/me slowly shakes my head)

 

[Thanasi]

Like I wrote in my previous reply, SA is not ready and has no one to blame but themselves. I read about a week ago that most plans are still on the drawing board. Nice, 3 years of talking and planning but no action, typical. Then its people like us who think realistically who are to blame because our brains happen to function and we can see a situation for what it is. Those of you who believe SA got the Cup because FIFA felt we were ready and offered the necessary basic criteria, did you forget who the other candidates for 2010 were? The WC had to go to Africa because the continent has been whining to get a chance to host for years. It was between us and Morocco. I suppose if thats ones competition, its a clear choice. SA is Africa's economic power-house and does not have a massive problem with terrorist groups as do the Northern African states. What happened though when SA competed with 1st world countries for the 2006 WC, egg all over the South African face. So don't pride yourselves too much that SA got the Cup, looking at the competition involved during the process, it was a once in a lifetime chance. A once in a lifetime chance to implement some long-term benefits for the population too. Such benefits include alternative public transportation systems, a boost to the country's general infrastructure, revamp and cleaning up of CBD and most importantly, implement some sort of crime-prevention program. The effect of these developments would be felt in the future, where the mine worker for instance and average South African will live a better life, at least his/her children might. SA has chosen the short term effects for everything. No stable public transport developments, just introduce stupid shuttle busses for a month to put on a good face to the world, temporary clean-up and so on. Once the tourists are gone after that one month, hopefully most of them will leave in one piece, then what? SA going back to the same **** again for eternity? SA had one chance to use such an opportunity to develop the state, thats the point of getting the Olympics and World Cup. The competition during the voting of candidate hosts could not have been easier but as usual, its been screwed up and with only 4 years left, one can only ask oneself how much can be done in those four years (regarding SA's current 3rd world situation especially). Before making stupid comparisons and outrageous patriotic claims, take a look at the facts and perhaps apply your brain a little more, the WC isnt just a month's football tournament. Only idiots think that way.

 

[Bona Botse]

The WC had to go to Africa because the continent has been whining to get a chance to host for years. It was between us and Morocco. I suppose if thats ones competition, its a clear choice. SA is Africa's economic power-house and does not have a massive problem with terrorist groups as do the Northern African states. What happened though when SA competed with 1st world countries for the 2006 WC, egg all over the South African face.

dude/ette, we lost the 2006 bid coz one person abstained from voting against the orders of his superiors. thats hardly egg on anyone's face
as for the rest of ur post, all i can say (to avoid stupid disputes) is i cant wait for 2010

 

[icyrus]

Your should be careful not to confuse optimism with stupidity

You should also be careful not to eat bird poo but that is for a different thread.

Hilarious.

Heres an exercise:

Lets create a table. On one side we will put reasons to be optimistic about our governments ability and service delivery based on past experience and performance and on the other side reasons to be pessimistic about it. Everyone feel free to add to whichever side you want.

Lets see which gets more points.

 

[Thanasi]

HAHAHA! I love this. Your little brain still cant grasp what I'm saying can it? About the long term effects? You still go on about success and crap. I'm wasting my time here. I'm not replying to you anymore. Waste of time and an insult to my intelligence. I didnt say whether it would be taken away or not, I said that the whole plan behind the process is evident, no long term benefits. But what do you care right? You probably have your car, house and job. What do you care for the other 80% of the population and your grandkids oneday? Its ok, watch your average tournament in 2010 (if SA keeps it), have fun for a month (if the country doesnt get too badly embarresed) and then good luck for the rest of eternity in Africa, with the same daily problems you probably used to whine about before the WC occupied your thoughts. You're probably one of those South Africans who force Beckenbauer to apologise for making a realistic comment anyway. First time I see a 3rd world country force a German Cup organiser for an apology, good work ; )

 

[Bona Botse]

Hilarious.

Heres an exercise:

Lets create a table. On one side we will put reasons to be optimistic about our governments ability and service delivery based on past experience and performance and on the other side reasons to be pessimistic about it. Everyone feel free to add to whichever side you want.

Lets see which gets more points.

i'm for the optimistic side
reason being the fact that u n i r snuggly sitting in front of our computer screens and posting to this website at 4mbps. look, our guavamint is not without its flaws but i honestly believe that at the end of the day, when all has been said and done, despite all the corruption/bribery/scandals, there r people in our guavamint who have the best interests of south african citizens in mind. look how hard the LOC is working, and how hard they worked to bring the WC here. and dont forget that a lot of people's reputations r at stake here, so i really doubt they'd let the (mis)organising of this event lead to their doom. blatter, jordaan, mbeki, fifa, me ... the list is endless.
i'm not ending up with egg on my face, and they dont want egg either. egg bad. especially raw.
(also cant wait to say F.U. to usa n australia for being "on stand-by to fill in as emergency hosts should FIFA pull the plug on South Africa". muddatrucking opportunists)

 

[Bona Botse]

HAHAHA! I love this. Your little brain still cant grasp what I'm saying can it? About the long term effects? You still go on about success and crap. I'm wasting my time here. I'm not replying to you anymore. Waste of time and an insult to my intelligence. I didnt say whether it would be taken away or not, I said that the whole plan behind the process is evident, no long term benefits. But what do you care right? You probably have your car, house and job. What do you care for the other 80% of the population and your grandkids oneday? Its ok, watch your average tournament in 2010 (if SA keeps it), have fun for a month (if the country doesnt get too badly embarresed) and then good luck for the rest of eternity in Africa, with the same daily problems you probably used to whine about before the WC occupied your thoughts. You're probably one of those South Africans who force Beckenbauer to apologise for making a realistic comment anyway. First time I see a 3rd world country force a German Cup organiser for an apology, good work ; )

if ur referring to moi:
i do grasp what ur saying, maybe it is YOU who's not grasping ME. i'm saying i hear u, and i disagree with u. i'm saying everything u say wont happen, WILL happen. i'm also saying that everything else everyone else is saying wont happen, WILL ALSO happen. so u say the organisers dont have a long term plan? i say they do. others say it wont come to SA? i say it will. and its gonna be beautiful. and notice how i dont refer to ur brain as "little" coz u dont get ME? why launch a personal attack on someone who doesnt agree with u? damn

 

[icyrus]

i'm for the optimistic side
reason being the fact that u n i r snuggly sitting in front of our computer screens and posting to this website at 4mbps. look, our guavamint is not without its flaws but i honestly believe that at the end of the day, when all has been said and done, despite all the corruption/bribery/scandals, there r people in our guavamint who have the best interests of south african citizens in mind. look how hard the LOC is working, and how hard they worked to bring the WC here. and dont forget that a lot of people's reputations r at stake here, so i really doubt they'd let the (mis)organising of this event lead to their doom. blatter, jordaan, mbeki, fifa, me ... the list is endless.
i'm not ending up with egg on my face, and they dont want egg either. egg bad. especially raw.
(also cant wait to say F.U. to usa n australia for being "on stand-by to fill in as emergency hosts should FIFA pull the plug on South Africa". muddatrucking opportunists)

First off, the government has shown that its reputation through out the rest of the world mean nothing to them. See thabo and manto's comments with regards to Aids.

As for telecommunications, I'm glad you brought it up. Think of all the pressure and activism that has been done by this site and like minded people and yet we are still years behind and getting further behind by the day. This is despite the fact the changing telecoms would have a much larger positive effect on our economy then the World Cup could ever have.

 

[Getafix]

HAHAHA! I love this. Your little brain still cant grasp what I'm saying can it? About the long term effects? You still go on about success and crap. I'm wasting my time here. I'm not replying to you anymore. Waste of time and an insult to my intelligence. I didnt say whether it would be taken away or not, I said that the whole plan behind the process is evident, no long term benefits. But what do you care right? You probably have your car, house and job. What do you care for the other 80% of the population and your grandkids oneday? Its ok, watch your average tournament in 2010 (if SA keeps it), have fun for a month (if the country doesnt get too badly embarresed) and then good luck for the rest of eternity in Africa, with the same daily problems you probably used to whine about before the WC occupied your thoughts. You're probably one of those South Africans who force Beckenbauer to apologise for making a realistic comment anyway. First time I see a 3rd world country force a German Cup organiser for an apology, good work ; )

Don't worry. True to form is he joining the que of beggars again.

The world has never came to a standstill.

All of a sudden every major event must be stopped so that handouts can be made. The whole world is full of poor people. Do you really think all these events will be stopped for the supposedly disadvantaged in South Africa. That something must again be given to the South African "poorest of the poor". Another something just be given to them in a endless pit? The WHOLE of Africa is poor. Who in the rest of the world do you think care?

Yes, I am going to enjoy it, and the cricket world cup and the olympics and the rugby WC and the domestic cricket season and a beer on a Saturday afternoon.

See if your bitching for handouts is going to make me enjoy any of that less.

Get off your backside and work. Then, your grandkids will be in a situation to enjoy all of the above and more.

 

[Bona Botse]

First off, the government has shown that its reputation through out the rest of the world mean nothing to them. See thabo and manto's comments with regards to Aids.

As for telecommunications, I'm glad you brought it up. Think of all the pressure and activism that has been done by this site and like minded people and yet we are still years behind and getting further behind by the day. This is despite the fact the changing telecoms would have a much larger positive effect on our economy then the World Cup could ever have.

like i said, we are not without our flaws.but this whole 2010 thing wont be part of those flaws. wrt the telecoms progress, as slow as it is, i think we're moving forward. 4mbps? heck man thats one giant leap from 1mbps. and i'm NOT saying we're cool, but rather i'm saying we're getting there. without hope, all is lost

 

[MyDraadloos]

Your should be careful not to confuse optimism with stupidity

You should also be careful not to eat bird poo but that is for a different thread.

It is improbable that SA will have everything ready on time, but not impossible.

 

[Omac]

You should be careful not to confuse pessimism with realism.

Realistically, we are in 2006. Can you see into the future?

If not you are being pessimistic.

 

[Getafix]

@thanasi

Your 3 post?

Your 1st post mentions you are staying in Greece.

Whats your case?

 

[icyrus]

Realistically, we are in 2006. Can you see into the future?

If not you are being pessimistic.

That is a foolish point of view. Past performance is a good indicator of future performance.

 

[Bona Botse]

That is a foolish point of view. Past performance is a good indicator of future performance.

maybe a good indicator, but that doesnt mean it'll turn out that way.
like draadloos said,

It is improbable that SA will have everything ready on time, but not impossible.

shame man, why is he foolish for expressing his opinion?

 

[Thanasi]

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@ Getafix

Yes, I am living in Greece, I'm of Greek origin and was born and raised in SA, left in 2005 so I know what I'm talking about. I get the feeling from your posts that youre an ignorant representative of the white minority, the major reason as to why I left SA, apart from the crime and the fact the Greece is one of the most livable countries in the world. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read your comment, get a job and make money. Very rich coming from someone like you, your ancestors are probably the reason that blacks in SA cant make money and the country is in the state it is today. Anyway, I'm not going to get into politics cause I've studied it at SA universities and can shoot you down every chance I get. The whole point I'm trying to make is that the WC is not just a sporting event, neither are the Olympics, etc. These huge events are a chance for the host nation to give a massive boost to the economy through the construction of various transportation systems, upgrading media facitlities (no, the SABC is not good enough right now), develop and plan future infrastructural changes, give the major CBDs a 'face-lift', combat the crime issue and basically put SA on the right road for the future. Thats all I've been saying and thats all I'm going to say. SA had the perfect chance to use this tournament to uplift its economy, I said nothing about not supporting poor states, its the best opportunity for a poor state but alas, the state is poor for a reason in the first place. A combination of a poor government system and ignorant people such as yourself. So like I said, the opportunity looks to be squanderred so you enjoy you're amstel (I doubt you're the black label type), watch your rugby and cricket and pay taxes for the stadiums being built for the next 100 years. After all, things seem to be that simple in your world. Don't bother replying anyway, I wont read it. There are a few individuals here who know what theyre talking about and a few who have no clue, so all you with no clue can keep the posts.