Would you support a vaccine passport requirement to buy booze?

Would you support a vaccine passport requirement to buy booze?

  • Yes

    Votes: 203 43.3%
  • No

    Votes: 245 52.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.5%

  • Total voters
    469

[XC] Oj101

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Absolutely not. It’s the beginning of a very slippery slope. Once our government sees they can get away with it, it’s only a matter of time before other purchases/freedoms are restricted with arbitrary requirements. Let your imagination run wild.

Only vaccinated people may work
Only vaccinated people may buy or rent property
Only vaccinated people may buy food
Only BEE companies may legally employ staff
Anti-ANC citizens are restricted to certain areas
Only TV license holders may buy petrol
Only those who donated towards Zuma’s trial may leave the house

How hard is it to fake a vaccination card? How hard is it to ask a vaccinated friend/family member to pick up a bottle for you?

It’s things like this that will turn the majority of otherwise law abiding citizens into outlaws. This has nothing to do with for/against the vaccine, this is about a precedent which cannot be set.
 

shinji

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Good luck trying!

My dorpie has at least 6 liquorshops and a few "informal traders" too - will still get my booze babba!
 

hylton99

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How would you control something like this? a vaccinated person could then buy, and resell to unvaccinated people??? And what is really the goal here? Vaccinated people do not abuse alcohol?
 

The Trutherizer

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No. I'm all for vaccines. However, this idea is just silly.
Like gamifying the pandemic. How would it be achieved? We can hardly get license renewals figured out.
 

ISP cash cow

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In case you missed it.... most "anti-vaxxers" like me probably don't drink..... it's you lot alcoholics that demand the jab so the lockdowns can end and you can carouse in public again.

I beg to differ

most of the anti-vaxxers, I have come across are bar fly's that drink like fish with an education from Youtube.

Amazingly also they mostly are in the insurance sales, property sales or computer business somehow :unsure:
 

ISP cash cow

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I am also all for vaccinations but doing this is just retarded, but I suppose any decision this government makes will be retarded.

where they do things like banning smokes and cigarettes with no forethought or proper reasoning, which affects peoples livelihoods, and then when it comes down the line they wonder why they don't have tax money to spend on the grants.

bloody idiots.
 

acidrain

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Should have a secondary poll for those that voted yes.

"Did you agree with previous government lockdowns and bans on products"

Then we can see what % are hypocrites.
 

HunterNW

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I'm thankful for the grabamint's idiocy, if we can keep the economy going (and the violence under control) this could end up the easiest country to live in.
Easy ? In what sense ?
Petrol will go up next month. Already since January an extra R1K a month for my SO to travel to work and back.
That's R1K less to live on. R1K more for this ****erment to pissout.
 

Itsa Trap

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Gays came out in the 70's / 80's


Black rights movements have had a foothold since about the 50's as I recall.
Communism / socialism is in disguise here, nothing more.

Remove thousands of years of human rights efforts.


Human rights, which btw are generally scoffed at or mentioned condescendingly by the more religious right -> far right, but immediately screamed about when they feel their rights to being absolute douches are being threatened, are really, as we know it today, at most 200 odd years old. And giving other people equal consideration is not taking other rights away, all it is taking away was the ability to bully those people for being different from "the norm".

Encourage "limp-wrist syndrome".

Limp wrist might have taken on another meaning to you, but in general this has been used to describe "tha gays", especially those considered to be "effeminate". And yes, the gays came out in the 70's, but let's be honest here, in SA that only ever happened in the late 80's. And the freedom to marry etc worldwide only became a thing in the 2000's.


Destroy all faiths and any respect for them.

Nope. Not even close to destroyed. Jim Bakers $1000 magic blanky proves that.
Would I be sad to see religion fade away into obscurity one day? Nope. Would like it if that day can come sooner so that when we kill and exploit each other we at least are honest about why we do it. But until then I will be totally happy with letting you believe what you want. But I'd like it to not be "free of taxation" and I'd like it to be regulated so that we can avoid these absurd grifters that sell $1000 nonsense blankets or Silver solution or god knows what else.

Create gender confusion

Who is confused? We've known that people are on a sexual spectrum for a while now, that they are trying to label all possible points of it is for the next generation to sort out. As for those people who are featured in the media they represent the minority of an already minority. The media just blows it up because it gets "reads", "views" and "likes / dislikes". Engagement.


Belittle individuality. ?

Have you seen some of these non-binary types? You cannot get more individualistic than that.


Turn science into scientism.

Well that depends doesn't it, what are you referring to? Different sciences lend themselves more or less to being abused to fit a narrative. Take for instance, climate change. It's happening, we do have a hand in shifting the bounds to the extent that it would have happened anyway. The absolute vast majority of scientists support this and the findings, but then you get the rest, less than 4% of scientists being skeptical. Most of them due to well, those same megacorporations mentioned earlier. So you can't "scientism" that. But I am guessing you mean more the social sciences?

Put relatively small death numbers at the forefront and call it an extreme emergency

Yeah, I get it, Worldwide it's not a huge number of people, but then again we don't know what the number would have been if the governments had done nothing. A proactive response to a pandemic will look almost the same in terms of stats as an over-the-top response to a minor threat.

We can't reload our save file from 2019 and try the other option to see. But even if it topped out @ 3% of say 10 billion people, that would still be far more than the 1918 flu. We will only really be able to "rate" this pandemic a decade from now is my guess.


Communism is a bad idea, but if we had unregulated capitalism run amuck we'd have FOKOL left of this planet within a decade. So obviously I agree with you on the megacorps mentioned as well, but unfortunately we are past that point. LITERALLY the only way to fight against that is for people to come together and set up a body that regulates the corporations. Currently that is what governments are (supposed to be) doing, which is why we should not allow corps to invest money in politics / politicians.
 

Brian_G

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Easy ? In what sense ?
Petrol will go up next month. Already since January an extra R1K a month for my SO to travel to work and back.
That's R1K less to live on. R1K more for this ****erment to pissout.
Politically easy, IF what's coming is what many suspect - global socialism.
 

Brian_G

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Remove thousands of years of human rights efforts.


Human rights, which btw are generally scoffed at or mentioned condescendingly by the more religious right -> far right, but immediately screamed about when they feel their rights to being absolute douches are being threatened, are really, as we know it today, at most 200 odd years old. And giving other people equal consideration is not taking other rights away, all it is taking away was the ability to bully those people for being different from "the norm".
Its background is far older. Also, as mentioned equality efforts and laws are already decades old.

Encourage "limp-wrist syndrome".

Limp wrist might have taken on another meaning to you, but in general this has been used to describe "tha gays", especially those considered to be "effeminate". And yes, the gays came out in the 70's, but let's be honest here, in SA that only ever happened in the late 80's. And the freedom to marry etc worldwide only became a thing in the 2000's.
Yeah, bad choice of words perhaps. I'm not anti-gay at all. Talking about the passive attitude of Millennials and similar, some deeper strength is needed to survive on this planet.

Destroy all faiths and any respect for them.

Nope. Not even close to destroyed. Jim Bakers $1000 magic blanky proves that.
Would I be sad to see religion fade away into obscurity one day? Nope. Would like it if that day can come sooner so that when we kill and exploit each other we at least are honest about why we do it. But until then I will be totally happy with letting you believe what you want. But I'd like it to not be "free of taxation" and I'd like it to be regulated so that we can avoid these absurd grifters that sell $1000 nonsense blankets or Silver solution or god knows what else.
We certainly agree about the abuses in the name of religion. I'm referring to anti-divine-concept communistic concepts, no consideration for freedom of choice, whether we believe in it or not.

Create gender confusion

Who is confused? We've known that people are on a sexual spectrum for a while now, that they are trying to label all possible points of it is for the next generation to sort out. As for those people who are featured in the media they represent the minority of an already minority. The media just blows it up because it gets "reads", "views" and "likes / dislikes". Engagement.
It's very overdone, and confusing many. It's positives - I'm fine with that.

Belittle individuality. ?

Have you seen some of these non-binary types? You cannot get more individualistic than that.
What I think you missed is I'm talking world politics, and in this covid context. There's a move to socialism which is destructive of individualism.


I might debate further later, but can't put much more time into this. Thanks, interesting...
 

pinball wizard

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More than a year ago, some of us here bemoaned the fact that our rights were being taken away. The majority consensus was to tell us to **** off, cause even if they are it doesn't affect us.
Now it's a clear and practical possibility.
 

rietrot

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More than a year ago, some of us here bemoaned the fact that our rights were being taken away. The majority consensus was to tell us to **** off, cause even if they are it doesn't affect us.
Now it's a clear and practical possibility.
Co-opting businesses is to implement it is even worse than I would have imagined back then.
 

Itsa Trap

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I mean, let's look at this lit-mouse test:



then this:




So do we agree with this one now, or are we taking his response here as the opposite of what a sensible person would do?
 
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