Would you take Ivermectin for Covid?

Would you take Ivermectin for Covid?

  • Yes - I have

    Votes: 15 4.5%
  • Yes - I would

    Votes: 99 29.6%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 61 18.3%
  • No

    Votes: 150 44.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Total voters
    334

Geoff.D

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Stopping replication In vitro means nothing though. Bleach, alcohol, poison etc will do the same thing
So does a bullet to the head, but we don't claim the cause of death was lead poisoning except in movies.

The analogies you make are fallacious.
 

nmccullo

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The MSM press are the ones wrecking havoc, a new scare tactic every day almost. Experts told everyone months ago that mutations won't be dangerous.
Drives me abso-fing-lutely crazy. I was reading an interview they had with one of the drug makers (Moderna, I think.) He said that the vaccine should work on the new mutations. A Virologist commented that viruses typically need to undergo a number of mutations (a couple of years) until new vaccines need to be developed and existing ones aren't as effective. So basically - "Chill, we will most likely be fine."

News24 journalist earlier this week: "The vaccines might not work on the South African variant."

It's the deliberate choice of wording that drives me crazy! It's clear from the experts that it's more likely to work than not, so why the fck put a negative spin on it? Poor tannie Miemie, who's already freaked out, will tell all her Whatsapp friends how fcked we are and will start selling all her worldly possessions.
 

Geoff.D

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Drives me abso-fing-lutely crazy. I was reading an interview they had with one of the drug makers (Moderna, I think.) He said that the vaccine should work on the new mutations. A Virologist commented that viruses typically need to undergo a number of mutations (a couple of years) until new vaccines need to be developed and existing ones aren't as effective. So basically - "Chill, we will most likely be fine."

News24 journalist earlier this week: "The vaccines might not work on the South African variant."

It's the deliberate choice of wording that drives me crazy! It's clear from the experts that it's more likely to work than not, so why the fck put a negative spin on it? Poor tannie Miemie, who's already freaked out, will tell all her Whatsapp friends how fcked we are and will start selling all her worldly possessions.
This!
 

Brian_G

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Drives me abso-fing-lutely crazy. I was reading an interview they had with one of the drug makers (Moderna, I think.) He said that the vaccine should work on the new mutations. A Virologist commented that viruses typically need to undergo a number of mutations (a couple of years) until new vaccines need to be developed and existing ones aren't as effective. So basically - "Chill, we will most likely be fine."
And the other side of the coin... why do we need vaccines in the first place? The official mortality rate is still only around 1 in 4000 to 5000 worldwide (depending what's believed), that after a year.
So why then?
Zactly, I don't get why people immediately think conspiracy theory when simple old fashioned psycopathic greed is enough to explain something.
Good enough reasoning for me. But I'll keep an open mind :p:coffee:
 
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Brian_G

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And those who want the vaccine as a precaution - fine, that's their business. (Hope it is safe though, personally doubt it.)

So is it the right of people to use harmless-when-controlled Ivermectin without grabbamint trying to stick their noses in as usual.
 

Brian_G

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A petition has been signed by close to 100 South African healthcare professionals appealing to President Cyril Ramphosa to set up an urgent special council to conduct a rapid review of the antiparasitic drug Ivermectin.
Just changed my vote here - no longer undecided, would now definitely use it.
 

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SeRpEnT

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I bet our country will be one of the last to adapt Ivermectin treatment...

So many doctors out there asking for this to be used. They know the proven safety of it.
(And the reason many more are not joining in just yet is because the Tim Noakes Twitter case witch hunt is still fresh in everyone's memory. Nobody wants to be confronted and charged by the old school medical nazis.)

It's not proven as a miracle cure just yet but early evidence is very promising. But in the meantime people in ICUs are constantly being put on ventilator s when their lungs get too bad with a mere 40 to 50% survival rate. Ivermectin can change this. But nooooooooooo...

Stubborn will be stubborn.
 

Geoff.D

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I rate that on the same scale that I rated the dumb phux who drank pure methalated spirits...
Nothing in the article indicates in what form the Ivermectin they took was and what caused them to end up in ICU. It is this sort of sensationalist rubbish reporting that leads to all sorts of incorrect conclusions.

So right now I view the report with plenty of suspicion.
 

bwana

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Despite these warnings, people, desperate for a cure for the coronavirus, have turned to the black market. There are reports that Ivermectin, which usually costs no more than R10 a tablet, is being sold for R2 000 to R3 000.
Makes you wonder what the going rate for a black market vaccine will go for.

Seeing as tobacco is still legal the Zuma's must be looking at their next revenue stream.
 

etienne_marais

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Ivermectin as a substance (in correct dosage) is safe, Ivermectin as part of a solution aimed at animal usage is not safe.

Research for use in Covid has been done and some countries have used it with success.


But it is not receiving official backing and has limited clinical results.

I do not recommend it and would not take it myself unless approved.

I do however lament that a safe solution (research) is not actively pursued and backed [watch the video], I also lament the singular, one-track minded focus on the new mRNA vaccines, despite the fact that Ivermectin is a substance and not a vaccine, as I believe lives can be saved until the vaccine becomes available.
 

etienne_marais

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I think the doctor's letter in the article deserves a post:

Here is Kathrada’s letter to the President:

“A plea for hope and trust in these unprecedented times’’.Honourable President RamaphosaMy name is Dr Naseeba Kathrada. I am a general practitioner in Durban, KwaZulu-Natal.Mr President, I woke up this morning to the news that we have just experienced our country’s deadliest week with over 20 000 deaths in the past 7 days in this second wave.

Mr President, we are living in unprecedented times and right now - families are left shattered by the hour. Morale amongst healthcare workers is the lowest it’s ever been and we on the frontline are exhausted.You, Mr President have the authority and the ability to give us some hope in this dark hour.

You announced a state of emergency, you authorised the setting up or emergency committees like the NCC and the MAC. We have Covid ‘war rooms’ in every province and you locked down our country to level 3 to save lives and livelihoods.
You, Honourable President have the authority to set up an urgent special council to do a thorough and rapid review of Ivermectin. Just the announcement of such a council will bring some hope back to families who have infected loved ones. We as frontline workers will be re-energised knowing that you trust us to uphold the oath ‘first do no harm’ by giving us this potent anti-inflammatory drug to add to our seemingly defenceless fight against this new strain.

I fully appreciate the need for a body like SAHPRA, but let’s face it Mr President, they are not the most popular organisation amongst lay people and healthcare workers alike at this point.

Asking for doctors to apply for a section 21 per patient while some of us are seeing over 60 Covid positive cases per day is nothing short of ridiculous. Have you seen that application form Mr President? And now they want each submission to be done via their online portal. These, coupled with a R300 fee per submission, is the reason why no doctors will bother. We just DO NOT have the time !

What about that absurd request to do a trial!

1 - Ivermectin has been around since 1975

2 - It is FDA approved and authorised for human use in many countries around the world

3 - Four countries have now added it to their Covid Treatment protocol

4 - Ivermectin has won the Nobel prize in medicine

5 - Most importantly, Mr President, the logistics of running a trial while 20 000 people are dying in a week is beyond comprehension. There’s no money in running a trial for a refurbished drug, there’s no time to sit and fill in forms per person enrolled in a trial - moreover in full PPE. All this after ethics approval and recruitment etc etc etc

With the black market mushrooming we cannot even dream of doing a placebo controlled trial knowing that candidates who are supposed to be on placebo can buy ivermectin from Justin Casey down the road or from his friend, Al Reddy, and if they don’t have any then Senzo Siza will definitely hook them up.

Mr President, people are dying.

Mr President, families are despondent and hopeless.

Mr President, we are exhausted and helpless.

I am by no means calling Ivermectin a ‘Miracle drug’ - what I am saying is that it is a safe drug - your Urgent Ivermectin Review Committee will attest to that – of that .. I am certain. SAHPRA’s first of 3 pillars is SAFETY.

There are hundreds of studies done already and new data is emerging daily showing the promise of Ivermectin. Your committee can review all this data which is readily and easily available.

There is no need or time for a formal application at this time.

Respected President, I implore you at this time of need, legalise Ivermectin - trust us - the health professionals who are the most vulnerable against this disease - to dispense Ivermectin with informed consent. Give us the freedom of choice to take this drug as prophylaxis so that we have a better chance to be around when the vaccine arrives to help roll that out.

Mr President, you have thousands of astute medical minds working tirelessly for months now - spare a few of them for 24hrs to do an urgent review of Ivermectin

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures.

Give hope back to the people who have loved ones infected knowing that there is something more that can be done to save their infected family members who are lonely and alone in overcrowded hospitals.

Give us, the country’s frontline workers and first line of defence your trust. Armour us with this safe drug so that we know that we are doing everything possible to save our patients lives.

Freedom of choice is a democratic right of the people of South Africa

My name is Dr Naseeba Kathrada - Mr President -

On behalf of all those signed in agreement below

I ... Thank You

Dr Naseeba Kathrada - MB.ChB (Natal)

Dr Martin Gill -MBBCh BSc (Med) FCS (orl ) Wits.

Dr Neetu Govender Registered Chiropractor MT Chiro SA

Dr Karla Hechter-Schulz MB ChB. DTMH

Dr Jyothi Sookram MBBCh (wits) BSc Hons(UNP)

Dr R.N.Singh MB ChB. (Natal)

Dr S Mkhize MBChB( Natal) DA(SA) MMed Anaes.

Dr Kevin Naidu MBChB (UNITRA)

Anisa Mosam MBChB, FC Derm, Mmed, PhD ( UKZN)

Dr E Y Vahed MBChB (UKZN)

Velo Govender Social work Private Practitioner (UKZN)

Dr. S. A. Sunichur- MB BS (Utkal)

Dr. Y. Nagdee (MBBCh)

Dr Mahomed I I Moola MBBCh(wits)DCH(SA)DA(SA) FCFP(SA)

Dr C Rughoobeer B Pharm, MB ChB

Dr S.Narraindoo M.B.B.S

Dr Sirini Singh MBChB

Dr Kasthurba Maharaj MBCHB FCPSA

Claire van Staden Registered ICU trained Nurse

Dr Farzana SayedMBBCh (Wits) DipEC DOH

Varsha Soni (UKZN) B Pharm

DR SAS Haffejee - MBBCH WITS

Dr Shamila Adam MB.ChB

Dr Yusuf Osman MbChB MPrax Med (Ntl) DOH (Wits)

Dr Yasmeen Thandar PhD MMedSc BPharm (UKZN)

Dr S Dlamuka, MBchB(UKZN), HIV man.dip

Dr Feroza Khan - Gp

Dr Asiya Desai MBChB

Dr Tasneem Latiff MBBCH (WITS)

Dr Retha Luyt - MBChB

Dr Siboniso Dlamuka, MBchB(UKZN), HIV man. dip

Dr GLA Hlongwa MBChB, (natal)

Major Pathmaseelan Runga Rasen B-Tech Occ Health Nursing

Dr HM Dhooma BSc MBChB DOH

Dr G Cakwebe BSc MBChB DA (SA)

Dr Sharisha Surajballi MBCHB; FC OPHTH(SA); MMed (UKZN)

Dr Mayaven Naidoo, MBChB, FCPsych (SA)

Dr AA Moosa Mbchb FCFP Family Physician

Dr N. C. Majali, MBCHB, MBA UKZN

Dr MJ Gause Bsc MBChB

Dr René Leitch - MBChB, DA, DipEC

Dr Zeenat Dawood Moorad- MBCHB, FCPath (Haematology), MMED, CERT Clin Haem

Jeremy Deokynarain (BPharm)(Wits)

Dr N.G.Zulu, MBCHB, FCS (SA)

Dr H Paruk, MBCHB, FCN

Dr M Khumalo MBchB, FCOG(SA), Cert. Urogynaecology

Dr Ruven Shah MBChB, Dip PEC

Dr Navasja Sewraj MBChb, Stell | MBA Stell

Dr C Naidoo MB CHB D.A. (S.A.) DOH (NATAL)

Dr GLA Hlongwa, MMED herbalist

Dr T.Mofokeng MBCHB, Dip Ophth (SA)

Dr M Naicker MBCHB FCOG (SA)

Dr J N Mudaly MBCHB (Med)

Dr M Minty MBCHB, DOH

Dr Prashini Govender MBCHB, DCH, MECI, FCPaedS

Dr Z A Gilani M Fam. Med (UKZN)

Dr Y Y Vahed M.B.,B.S. (GUNTUR)

Mrs R Gilani BPharm ukzn

Dr T Ramasar : MBCHB, FCPsych(SA), MMED

Dr Catherine Davies MBBCh Wits, MBA

Dr P Ramlachan MB ChB

Dr T.Mofokeng MBCHB,Dip Ophth(SA)

Dr M Naicker MBCHB FCOG(SA)

Dr M R Ghuman MSc Med (Wits), FCPaed (SA)

Dr C S Liebenberg MBChB DA(SA)

Dr Sailuja Naidu MBChB (Natal), DA(SA), FCA(SA)

Dr Zakhele Khumalo -MBChB, LLM, MBA

DR Idrees Manga MBCHB

Dr Nishen Maharaj MBCHB (UKZN)

Dr M Jagot MBChB, PGDOH - UKZN

Dr N M Peer MBBCh

Dr A Moodley MBChB

Dr A Moola MBChB

Dr Safiyya Elias BDS (Wits)

Dr E A G Essa (MBChb Natal)

Dr S Moodley MBCHB, FCOG (SA), MMED

Dr R Maharaj MBChB, FCP (SA)

Dr L Jugdeo MBChB

Dr D A Padayachee MB ChB

Dr S Moodley MBCHB, FCOG (SA), MMED

Dr K.B Olla MBCHB, FCPsych (SA)

Dr Mashra Gani.. MBBCH (PE)

Dr Ismail Jajbhay MB ChB (UKZN)

Nazlie Luyt RN

Dr H Dama MBChB, DCH(SA), FCPaed(SA),Cardiology (SA) Paed

Dr A Ramlal MBCHB

Dr Nabeela Sheik-Hamid MBChB

Dr Tahera AA Essay MBCHB

Dr Carmen Basson Dentist

Dr AC van Wyk. BChD (Stell)

Dr T.Khan MBBCh

Dr M Lambrechts (MBBCh)

Dr S Nadesan MB chB
 

elf_lord_ZC5

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It is made to kill parasites. Will it kill the mosquitoes that bite me?

Then I might take it.
 
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