[WoW]<Pap en Vleis>EU Twilight's Hammer - Looking for South Africans

[|Blunt]

<Pap en Vleis> Looking for South Africans

If you are a South African looking for a fun place to waste your life free time, then Pap en Vleis is the place for you! Pap en Vleis was created during the TBC era in 2007 as Horde on Twilight’s Hammer EU and currently boasts about 200 unique accounts. Over the years, the guild has evolved and changed as much as the game WoW has itself. One thing has always remained the same, though – It’s a fun place for South African WoW players to hang out.

We are always looking for players that want a fun environment shared with culturally similar people. We are a mix of socialites doing normal mode raids, PVP’ers, and our Heroic progression team!
We also have a couple of WhatsApp groups fill of funniness and ***-talkings. Important news and events are also organized and discussed here.

Progression / Heroic team
Our Heroic / Progression team is for the people who want to max out and go for blood in heroic mode. This works for us since the heroic system is flexible and we do not have to manage a strict 20 player team. All of our HC raiders are working adults with full time jobs.

Why are we not doing Mythic then you may ask? Well we just do not have the players at the moment since it is it strictly 20 players. The people on this team is very good at their classes and the game in general

We provide guild repairs and at some point when materials are more accessible Flasks & Food as well.
The HC team raids on Tuesdays & Thursdays, 19:30 – 22:30. We use a dedicated TS3 server for communications.

Social team
This has evolved since our "social" team packed up and decided they can do better in their own guild(OH TEH DRAMAH). So now we dont really have a social team, basically just overflow from the initial group. This group is quite strong and a few bosses behind the initial team on heroic in most cases
True social runs happen on Sundays with a very reasonable item level requirement for a tour through the current tiers normal mode, with alot of the main raiders joining this run

Guild Achievements
TBC – Black Temple Cleared
WotLK – ICC HC cleared
Cataclysm – Dragon Soul HC cleared
MoP – SoO HC cleared. (Ahead of the Curve)
WoD – Hellfire Citidal HC cleared. (Ahead of the Curve)
Legion – Emerald Nightmare HC cleared. (Ahead of the Curve)
Legion – The Nighthold HC cleared. (Ahead of the Curve)
Legion – Tomb of Sargeras HC cleared. (Ahead of the Curve)

Currently requirements for both teams is DPS. Come one come all


If you would like to have a chat you can PM me here or hit me up on Towsh#2645
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/26953
https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/twilight-s-hammer/Pap+en+Vleis

 

[ParkieGr4s]

Great guild for South Africans. They are a diverse group of people (men and women) from all over ZA.

Raid night's combine a good portion of fun with enough seriousness to kill bosses. Would recommend PnV to all prospective players! 10/10

 

[Akasha]

Oversell much? I was in that guild for a bit, even went to a braai thing. People were nice enough but if you didn't fit into their little group of "pro's", you weren't welcome. I'm going with the advice of other players here, join an EU guild. SA guilds are full of drama and attitude

 

[ParkieGr4s]

Oversell much? I was in that guild for a bit, even went to a braai thing. People were nice enough but if you didn't fit into their little group of "pro's", you weren't welcome. I'm going with the advice of other players here, join an EU guild. SA guilds are full of drama and attitude

If that is the perception that the guild created back then, then it's is really unfortunate. Many of the old "pro's" have since left and the guild is under new leadership as of last month. They are very friendly to any players new and old, regardless of your level of skill or commitment.

Don't think I am overselling - this is all just my personal opinion plus I'm a pretty friendly guy

 

[Akasha]

Well, i left as the fallen something branched out of pnv. I was getting tired of being called boobies. Not sure what i should've expected otherwise. The guild was run by little boys with big egos. Good luck in your search

 

[SnowWar]

Hehe well this got entertaining.

Yet to see a SA guild without emo, epeen and drama issues

Best of luck though

 

[Akasha]

Hehe well this got entertaining.

Yet to see a SA guild with emo, epeen and drama issues

Best of luck though

You mean without?

 

[SnowWar]

You mean without?

lol oops ye

 

[|Blunt]

Oversell much? I was in that guild for a bit, even went to a braai thing. People were nice enough but if you didn't fit into their little group of "pro's", you weren't welcome. I'm going with the advice of other players here, join an EU guild. SA guilds are full of drama and attitude

I'm really sorry you didn't fit in bud, hopefully you have found a place where you can feel at home - being in this guild it really does help if you don't take yourself too seriously. To try a make a plan for everyone we have started a more casual team, where you can pretty much show up and have fun with no pressure and the "pros" as you put it wont be barking at you(although you oversell this point a bit much don't you think)

There is quite a bit of banter and good old drama is never far but were still here alive and kicking - Now if would be nice not to be slagged by other Saffers as trying to stay exclusively South Afrian has its challenges with out us trying to bad mouth each other as it is

Looking forward to adding a few more South Afrian buddies to our team

 

[DMNknight]

Well, i left as the fallen something branched out of pnv. I was getting tired of being called boobies. Not sure what i should've expected otherwise. The guild was run by little boys with big egos. Good luck in your search

I've been around the block a few times in WoW. Started in November 2004 on the US servers with a couple of friends.
I say this, so that you know that I've been around South African WoW players for a while. I've been every rank imaginable within the social structures of these guilds.
Some successful, some not... every bit of the way was a learning curve.
I've learned by being part of several gaming "clans" and several gaming communities (Tribes 2/ Natural Selection) that South African Gamers are particularly unique in that we are fiercely independent and self-proficient.
I've learned that no matter how organised or disorganised a guild is, someone is going to be unhappy.
No matter how friendly, polite or rude a guild is, someone is going to be unhappy.

Bottom line is, if the player wants to be unhappy, there's nothing a guild can do to make them stay.
I've spent many many hours with players in whisper, where it is clear that they want nothing but to vent their excuses for leaving. These are the players I cannot help because they are on their own path to somewhere else.
You accept, after a while that not everyone is going to stay and sometimes that's just sad because I've seen many people leave who I personally thought would fit in great and are simply great. (sometimes not so much because they're egotistical little ****s that are only in the game for themselves)

I've edited this post because it was largely a negative overtone and that's not my intention.

Please, don't go slating a guild who is looking for like minded members simply because it wasn't a fit for you.
Glad you found a place where you do fit in, clearly that's where you were meant to be.

 

[Yster21]

Oversell much? I was in that guild for a bit, even went to a braai thing. People were nice enough but if you didn't fit into their little group of "pro's", you weren't welcome. I'm going with the advice of other players here, join an EU guild. SA guilds are full of drama and attitude

Back when Shadow Conclave was SA-only, we had no attitude or drama issues. When we wanted to start raiding 40-man, we had to open the doors to Europeans. That is where our drama and colliding attitudes started, and ultimately why the guild fell apart. Sure, I've met a lot of wonderful people from Europe, but around 50% of them were just self-entitled selfish brats. A lot of them used SC as a stepping stone for Method.

As GM, managing the people aspect was pure nightmare. I took no nonsense, and people with the wrong attitudes were kicked without remorse. One guy made a sexist comment to one of the female players, and was kicked before the last word left his mouth. Another made an anti-gay comment, and was kicked within seconds. The guild leaders need to take that sort of thing seriously.

I eventually quit the GM role, and merely sat back and raided. The leadership changed hands a couple of times, was ultimately weak, unable to make decisions, and ignored problems as long as raiding could continue. It was hard to watch the guild we had spent years building, eventually fall apart in WotLK. Around half the guild just left and started their own guild (satisfyingly, it failed a short time later).

Eventually we kicked all remaining Europeans and went back to pure-SA, trying Ulduar. We were too few, getting full 10-man raids were difficult, and even that stopped after a couple of weeks. In MoP, we tried again, and had a raiding agreement with a Swedish guild. They were excellent players, but the same emotional crap and infighting started again, causing the arrangement to fall apart.

At one point I did join PnV for a little bit, and they seemed like a pretty cool bunch, but the Horde stank so much I had to go back to Alliance

 

[DMNknight]

Back when Shadow Conclave was SA-only, we had no attitude or drama issues. When we wanted to start raiding 40-man, we had to open the doors to Europeans. That is where our drama and colliding attitudes started, and ultimately why the guild fell apart. Sure, I've met a lot of wonderful people from Europe, but around 50% of them were just self-entitled selfish brats. A lot of them used SC as a stepping stone for Method.

As GM, managing the people aspect was pure nightmare. I took no nonsense, and people with the wrong attitudes were kicked without remorse. One guy made a sexist comment to one of the female players, and was kicked before the last word left his mouth. Another made an anti-gay comment, and was kicked within seconds. The guild leaders need to take that sort of thing seriously.

I eventually quit the GM role, and merely sat back and raided. The leadership changed hands a couple of times, was ultimately weak, unable to make decisions, and ignored problems as long as raiding could continue. It was hard to watch the guild we had spent years building, eventually fall apart in WotLK. Around half the guild just left and started their own guild (satisfyingly, it failed a short time later).

Eventually we kicked all remaining Europeans and went back to pure-SA, trying Ulduar. We were too few, getting full 10-man raids were difficult, and even that stopped after a couple of weeks. In MoP, we tried again, and had a raiding agreement with a Swedish guild. They were excellent players, but the same emotional crap and infighting started again, causing the arrangement to fall apart.

At one point I did join PnV for a little bit, and they seemed like a pretty cool bunch, but the Horde stank so much I had to go back to Alliance

Ahahahahahaha, dude that beard of yours is hairier than a Tauren's crotch... be sure its not your food leftovers that's doing the stinking

(unless I have the wrong Yster... then oops )
(If I have the right Yster, your'e welcome back anytime when those Alliance spend longer being metro than raiding )

 

[Akasha]

As GM, managing the people aspect was pure nightmare. I took no nonsense, and people with the wrong attitudes were kicked without remorse. One guy made a sexist comment to one of the female players, and was kicked before the last word left his mouth. Another made an anti-gay comment, and was kicked within seconds. The guild leaders need to take that sort of thing seriously.

I eventually quit the GM role, and merely sat back and raided. The leadership changed hands a couple of times, was ultimately weak, unable to make decisions, and ignored problems as long as raiding could continue. It was hard to watch the guild we had spent years building, eventually fall apart in WotLK. Around half the guild just left and started their own guild (satisfyingly, it failed a short time later).

Bottom line is, if the player wants to be unhappy, there's nothing a guild can do to make them stay.
I've spent many many hours with players in whisper, where it is clear that they want nothing but to vent their excuses for leaving. These are the players I cannot help because they are on their own path to somewhere else.
You accept, after a while that not everyone is going to stay and sometimes that's just sad because I've seen many people leave who I personally thought would fit in great and are simply great. (sometimes not so much because they're egotistical little ****s that are only in the game for themselves)

I've edited this post because it was largely a negative overtone and that's not my intention.

Read that, and tell me, do you do the same? Can you honestly say you take people up on their sexism/racism/homophobia?

Cause me being a female gamer does NOT give you the right to call me "boobies" and everyone else just goes along with it cause your dps is good. Is that really what you want your guild to represent?

Like I said, good luck. I hope you find people that fit into your guild and won't be picked on much because of silly reasons like this. I've stopped playing for a while now and intend to (if I ever return) join an EU guild

 

[DMNknight]

Read that, and tell me, do you do the same? Can you honestly say you take people up on their sexism/racism/homophobia?

If I remember rightly who you are, then I can honestly tell you that I would have taken it up with all the seriousness it deserved... had it reached me. I have a zero tolerance policy, even as a normal guild member, towards issues of race and gender.

I honestly can't remember someone calling anyone in raid "boobies" so I must not have been present at the time.
Did you report the person to officers/GM?

 

[Akasha]

If I remember rightly who you are, then I can honestly tell you that I would have taken it up with all the seriousness it deserved... had it reached me. I have a zero tolerance policy, even as a normal guild member, towards issues of race and gender.

I honestly can't remember someone calling anyone in raid "boobies" so I must not have been present at the time.
Did you report the person to officers/GM?

If you went to the braai thing, you have absolutely no excuse. And of course you're going to have stern words with your long time friend and best dps for calling some random new person in the guild names. Because that makes total sense

 

[DMNknight]

If you went to the braai thing, you have absolutely no excuse. And of course you're going to have stern words with your long time friend and best dps for calling some random new person in the guild names. Because that makes total sense

So that would be a "no" with regards to actually telling anyone about it?

 

[Yster21]

Ahahahahahaha, dude that beard of yours is hairier than a Tauren's crotch... be sure its not your food leftovers that's doing the stinking

(unless I have the wrong Yster... then oops )
(If I have the right Yster, your'e welcome back anytime when those Alliance spend longer being metro than raiding )

Think it's a different Yster. I didn't even make it to level 60. And my wife would kill me if I spawned the ginger bush.

Read that, and tell me, do you do the same? Can you honestly say you take people up on their sexism/racism/homophobia?

Not sure if you're asking me or DMNknight (different guilds)... We once kicked our main tank, probably one of the best on the server at that time, just because of his condescending attitude towards other players. He was an amaaaazing tank (better than #2 and #3 tanks in SC combined), but no one is so good that their skill level makes up for a k@k attitude. If someone poisons the vibe of the guild, it's better that they go. Obviously we didn't just kick him. I had chats with him about his attitude, and he didn't listen. We stayed friends, but he couldn't be in the guild. He found a new guild where being an elitist pr1ck was expected, and we noobed forth and wiped on Vael for 2 months.

 

[Akasha]

So that would be a "no" with regards to actually telling anyone about it?

Not sure if you're asking me or DMNknight (different guilds)... We once kicked our main tank, probably one of the best on the server at that time, just because of his condescending attitude towards other players. He was an amaaaazing tank (better than #2 and #3 tanks in SC combined), but no one is so good that their skill level makes up for a k@k attitude. If someone poisons the vibe of the guild, it's better that they go. Obviously we didn't just kick him. I had chats with him about his attitude, and he didn't listen. We stayed friends, but he couldn't be in the guild. He found a new guild where being an elitist pr1ck was expected, and we noobed forth and wiped on Vael for 2 months.

^This is how a guild should be run.

And I did ask if he could stop. More than once, in raid chat, on ts/vent/whatever. So no, I didn't directly complain to an officer as everyone in raid chat heard me.

 

[DMNknight]

... and we noobed forth and wiped on Vael for 2 months.

Vaelstraz, breaker of guilds.
At one time had the highest player death count of any NPC in the world. Was a brilliant fight though. My friend would HoT up all the Warlocks before he died so they couldn't hellfire to death to save repair costs. F'ing hilarious.

Hunter says "oops" over vent as he dropped his glass of whiskey on the Pet attack keybind... and we all watch in horror as the pet streaks towars the boss.

Fun times

 

[Yster21]

Vaelstraz, breaker of guilds.
At one time had the highest player death count of any NPC in the world. Was a brilliant fight though. My friend would HoT up all the Warlocks before he died so they couldn't hellfire to death to save repair costs. F'ing hilarious.

Hunter says "oops" over vent as he dropped his glass of whiskey on the Pet attack keybind... and we all watch in horror as the pet streaks towars the boss.

Fun times

Ja-nee, hunters! We had a hunter that on multiple instances, upon getting resurrected, still had autoshot on and Vael selected. Take another wipe! He did it more than once! The day we killed Vael was the highlight of all my time in WoW.