Young, an Afrikaner and skilled? Orania needs you to help ensure its sustainability

lowriderza

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With how much praise Orania gets, I'm surprised some MyBBers don't live there.
Probably because at the end of the day, despite all its positives, it is still culturally backwards. Afrikaners for the most part have left Calvinist thinking behind. And far right wing ideology has always been a bit yuck for most of us.
 

TheMightyQuinn

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Probably because at the end of the day, despite all its positives, it is still culturally backwards. Afrikaners for the most part have left Calvinist thinking behind. And far right wing ideology has always been a bit yuck for most of us.
Why is that? Compared to which cultures in South Africa?
 

RedViking

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I mean they ARE doing well, but not well enough to justify moving there. I think the terms and conditions for living there just make it seem a bit surreal.
Yeah the whole sect vibe is a bit much for me. I get the feeling You will have a very specific place in society, mostly placed by age and skill. Couple of other things that didn't sit comfortably with me watching some clips. I do think it would be interesting to go visit and talk about the infrastructure and how they achieved it. I'm interested in the development side of things.
 

lowriderza

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Why is that? Compared to which cultures in South Africa?
Why? Because it's not in line with what's commonly accepted as the norm. For the same reason I would call most fundamentalist cultures backwards. And yes it's obviously a bit harsh and will probably get somebody cancelled in a few years using that term. But as Humanity we are always moving forwards, not always in the right direction but forward none the less. And there will always be people way in the back kicking and screaming. And that is also fine. You get to be where you want to be.

Sorry if this causes offence I'm just grumpy today and so tired looking at places like Iran that is just so behind the times.
 

Bewlen

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I see the community of Orania somewhat differently. It's a cultural establishment that realized the need to preserve the culture. The entire bloodline is one of assessing the far horizon, and planning accordingly, with constant evaluation and adjustment. If there is one thing an Afrikaner can do, it's plan ahead, and work his fingers to the bone to get there.

Sure, there are lots of ridicule going around, many inaccurate assessments and loads of profiling. Orania is not some kind of utopia or perfect enclave for the stereotype. But the Afrikaner has always been the tortoise in the race. Slow and deliberate in all actions, but always forging ahead, always progressing.

It grinds the gears of many of the detractors that they are indeed making strides. An island of independent progress, against the odds, against the current, despite the repression and demonization of the entire culture. Independent sewage and electricity infrastructure, independent labor, a functioning local economy, regional growth, agricultural bloom. Are there problems? Of course, as with any and all communities. And let the jokes and insults fly. The Afrikaners don't mind, they have thick skins, a blessing at birth.

Many are watching, and I suspect the ridcule will die down, and then suddenly turn into cries of exasperation at those who want to "share" in the "resources", that will actually just be a disguised call for extermination of the cultural project that would have succeeded. Lesufi is at the forefront of that, but I expect ,more to slowly start joining in. If this was a Zulu, Xhosa, Venda project - pick your tribe - it would be exemplified as a model of excellence, along with their subsidized royal households, homelands and tracts of land, representation in parliament, etc. But Afrikaners will ultimately not be allowed this.
 

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One example then:

Saaiman, Zaaiman Saayman, Zaayman or any other variation all have as their female progenitor the daughter, Petronella, of "Eva" Kratoa van Meerhof of the Goringhaicona, van Riebeecks kitchen domestic and later translator. Kratoa is the person that Malema wants to rename Cape Town airport after.

Kratoa had several more children. But in the example, any white with a Saaiman in their South African ancestry is coloured.

You're a brave man to put a post like that up on this forum. I made a comment similar to that to an afrikaner colleague a few years ago, did it in a joking manner saying that I look more white than him, we might just be related. That oke retired two months ago, never forgave me for that comment. :(
 

JuliusSeizure

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Can vouch for this. Been dating a coloured guy for 9 years and it's pretty much the same on both sides of the families.

"Colored" South Africans are not one at the same and are also divided culturally, it also depends on factors such as where they live, religion etc.

So some would argue that they are similar to Indian people, others black people and some white people.
 

Craig_

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"Colored" South Africans are not one at the same and are also divided culturally, it also depends on factors such as where they live, religion etc.

So some would argue that they are similar to Indian people, others black people and some white people.

True, coloureds i the WC and coloureds up north are also very different.
 

JuliusSeizure

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True, coloureds i the WC and coloureds up north are also very different.

A colored lady I work with the other day said that she finds her culture similar to the Indian culture and she said this is why there is a high marriage rate between the two groups. She is from Cape Town.

But I've seen quite a few colored people in KZN who I would think were black had they not said so so and they also speak fluent Zulu it depends on where they are.

To answer the claims that "coloreds" as a whole are similar to Afrikaners in culture, I highly doubt that colored Muslims have a lot in common culturally with Afrikaners and a significant part of the populace are Muslim.
 

Craig_

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A colored lady I work with the other day said that she finds her culture similar to the Indian culture and she said this is why there is a high marriage rate between the two groups. She is from Cape Town.

But I've seen quite a few colored people in KZN who I would think were black had they not said so so and they also speak fluent Zulu it depends on where they are.

Yip, my FIL's family is indian, while my MIL has coloured family on her dad's side, and white on her mother's side. So it's all very much intertwined.
 
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