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eitai2001

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Ok ... I have found a website I personally really like.
the website is www.atvelocity.co.za ... they are an online book shop ... and I think the site is nicely designed ... and the customer service is excellant. You should check it out ... and they actually have Matthew Reilly books ... I've been looking everywhere for those.
 

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Yeah, but layout wise it is a bit lacking. You see, while it's great for pc geeks like most of us (well, me), it's too busy with too many options and and too small a font for your normal noob internet shopper.
 

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eitai2001 said:
The only thing is please don't tell me I should accept credit cards ... I know I should, but there is way too much fraud out there (4 people have already tried to get me) ... and my company is not big enough to lose money to fraud ... When I am bigger I will accept them ... until then ... EFT and cash are the safest ways to transact.

Well i don't mind EFT transfer , BUT then the company must make it "sensible" like a certain other shop i use http://www.sybaritic.co.za .

How they work is, you place your order but you don't pay yet, then they first check stock levels and confirm the time it will take to get it from suppliers..THEN they mail you and say "pay within 24 hours to get your stuff within [type of postage] days " . This gives me plenty of opportunity to cancel AND/OR change my order if i think it's taking too long without hassles.


With a CC setup you usually have to pay "in advance" and thus i've found companies stretch the "time it takes to actually ship" as far as they want. With EFT , there is no reason to require me to pay before an -exact- shipment date etc...and that's why i sometimes actually enjoy doing EFTs ..however not all companies seem to work like this.
 

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It seems fine to me ... what makes you say that ... if I was a noob ... I think I would still be able to navigate easily.
 

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Well i don't mind EFT transfer , BUT then the company must make it "sensible" like a certain other shop i use http://www.sybaritic.co.za .

How they work is, you place your order but you don't pay yet, then they first check stock levels and confirm the time it will take to get it from suppliers..THEN they mail you and say "pay within 24 hours to get your stuff within [type of postage] days " . This gives me plenty of opportunity to cancel AND/OR change my order if i think it's taking too long without hassles.


With a CC setup you usually have to pay "in advance" and thus i've found companies stretch the "time it takes to actually ship" as far as they want. With EFT , there is no reason to require me to pay before an -exact- shipment date etc...and that's why i sometimes actually enjoy doing EFTs ..however not all companies seem to work like this.

If I understand you correctly, that is how I work ... as soon as I get an order ... I send you an e-mail telling you that before you pay, let me just phone and check if they have stock ... when they tell me they do have stock ... then I tell the customer that he must pay, and that he can expect delivery x days after the amount reflects in my bank account. I also tell the customer if it is taking longer than normal to reflect, and I also tell them as soon as it reflects so that they know what is happening, and don't think I ran away with their money.

There are only certain items I can obtain before I receive the actual payment, because I don't have credit at most of my suppliers. Only the one. And even then ... I will only get the item when I see the proof of payment to make sure I'm not stuck with it.

Sometimes though, a customer will pay before I have a chance to e-mail them ... and in those cases, I offer them alternatives, a back order ... or a full cash refund.

I try my best to make the customers experience as stress free as possible ... and a nice method to use especially for brownie points is to always understate yourself than over state. I don't know if you have been to hellopeter.com but I had to attend a talk by him from the company I work for on the weekends, and he gave some good service advice. If a customer knows you give good service ... then your product is more valuable then XYZ competitor as far as they are concerned.

And because my company is new ... and I want it to stay in existance for a long time ... I've implemented an internal policy of Customer Service over Customer Profits. There is only one case where I am making a loss and that is not my fault ... but rather a very big issue with a very expensive credit card ... and I'm trying to give my customer the best service ... and the suppliers are making it extremely difficult.

For some products such as a celeron CPU ... I am only making a R30 profit ... which is in terms of business rediculous ... but once again customer service over customer profit.

Thats a big reason why its taken me so long to get a developer to redo my site ... its expensive, and I couldn't afford it ... but now that I have made a bit of profit ... I can ... I don't take any salary or anything out my company ... and all year end profits are all going back in.

At the moment I'm a BCom Accounting student, and started this company to teach me all about business ... but at the same time ... I want to make this company big over the next few years ... I've only been around for 5 months so there will definately still be hiccups.

I think because I am still a student ... I know sort of what the trends are and am trying to get that to make the company successful. Guys like Digital Planet and them are already too big, and have forgotten what its like to be on the other end of the line ... I haven't.

But thank you for your insite ... I will look into adding a sentence on the checkout confirmation screen once the site is finished that says "Before payment is made, please wait for me to confirm stock" ... or something like that ... what do you think?
 

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eitai2001 said:
If I understand you correctly, that is how I work ... as soon as I get an order ... I send you an e-mail telling you that before you pay, let me just phone and check if they have stock ... when they tell me they do have stock ... then I tell the customer that he must pay, and that he can expect delivery x days after the amount reflects in my bank account. I also tell the customer if it is taking longer than normal to reflect, and I also tell them as soon as it reflects so that they know what is happening, and don't think I ran away with their money.

Yes, that's correct. That's how it should work with EFTs imho. That way the onus is on the company to respond quickly with delivery estimates [otherwise the customer isn't going to pay] . With CC payments it's waaayee to easy for a company to sit back and "chill" [because they got the money already] , they don't always jump to check stock and get back to you...

The "payment only once stock is confirmed" process also serve to reconfirm the actual order. I know Sybaritic respond within 24 hours after i place an order with estimates, sometimes an item in my order will take 2 weeks then i can still easily change my order [excluding/replacing the item] .
 

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Yes, that's correct. That's how it should work with EFTs imho. That way the onus is on the company to respond quickly with delivery estimates [otherwise the customer isn't going to pay] . With CC payments it's waaayee to easy for a company to sit back and "chill" [because they got the money already] , they don't always jump to check stock and get back to you...

The "payment only once stock is confirmed" process also serve to reconfirm the actual order. I know Sybaritic respond within 24 hours after i place an order with estimates, sometimes an item in my order will take 2 weeks then i can still easily change my order [excluding/replacing the item] .

Yes ... thats exactly how I work then. I don't like it when I a customer pays first, and then the supplier says sorry, no stock ... I feel like I'm providing a bad service.
The most irritating thing happened recently ... I checked stock with a supplier, and they said they don't have but are getting some in 2 weeks ... so I gave my customer the option to pay for a back order ... and they accepted, and paid. I constantly checked with my supplier ... and they said definately in on 10 August. On the 10th, I went to them ... and they told me sorry, but they aren't getting those cards anymore ... I complained to them ... and they said there is nothing they can do ... so I told my customer, and refunded them. Now who gets the arse end of that story ... me or the supplier ... ME!!! ... because it seems to the customer as though I was providing a bad service. I guarantee you I will never place a back order from that supplier again. And if I ever place another back order, I will request for them to fax me a statement telling me that they guarantee me they will get that item in stock again otherwise they will be obliged to pay my customer interest ... and a guarantee in terms of commercial law is upholdable in court.

In terms of contact time ... I usually get back to the customer within 12 hours whether I have confirmed or not ... if I haven't confirmed ... I tell them I will confirm in the morning of the first business day (this is usually for weekends, evenings or public holidays).

I have to uphold the best service possible to compete with the big boys.

Another thing ... what do you think of Thirt.com? Do you think customers will be willing to pay the 3% surcharge for their own security?
 

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I haven't personally purchased there ... but I have also heard good things about Sybaritic. Can't say the same though for Digital Planet ... heard junk about them.
 

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Take.co.za - very good service - will def buy through them again.

Kalahari.net - 9/10 packages arrive damaged. Lots of hassle to return damaged products so I will probably avoid Kalahari in the future. I've got similar complaints about this issue from other people too.
 

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Amazon.com is undoubtedly the best.

They provide feedback and they actually have staff that respond to your queries.
 

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I have to thank the guys that gave my site a good rating ... someone read the forum, decided to ask me for a quote ... and now he has the products :) ... woohoo ... you guys gave me a sale ... For the one guy who I know (Storejet OTG), I'm gonna give you the affiliate DigiBucks that I promise to give customers who refer other customers. Thanks a mil ;)
 

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Does anyone have any online stores to recommend besides a computer store or woolworths?
 

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well, I just ordered some cheap import DVD's from Take2. R79 for Star Wars III. Let's see how it goes.

My latest online purchase was from wantitall.com. Yeah. I'm not too impressed.

Oh, a brilliant one is www.bluejeanscable.co.uk. Shipping is affordable, the products are awesome and they are quick & proffesional. So if you need audio or video cable, they are highly recommended.
 

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well, I just ordered some cheap import DVD's from Take2. R79 for Star Wars III. Let's see how it goes.

My latest online purchase was from wantitall.com. Yeah. I'm not too impressed.

Oh, a brilliant one is www.bluejeanscable.co.uk. Shipping is affordable, the products are awesome and they are quick & proffesional. So if you need audio or video cable, they are highly recommended.

Is it worth ordering cables from overseas? Isn't it cheaper just to get them in the shops here ... I mean how much can you really save on a cable. Now cable internet, thats a whole other issue ;).

Someone told me they don't buy from wantitall purely because they don't have a contact number or its hard to find or something :p

You know what I would like to find ... without having to go through wantitall ... a radio receiver that can receive frequencies above 108mhz for listening to pilots speak to control towers at airports ... now thats cool. I found one in Europe but its not a ecommerce site, and they don't export.

Also, if anyone knows of a shop that sells parts for aeroplane simulation at cheap prices ... I want the rudder pedals.
 

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well, I just ordered some cheap import DVD's from Take2. R79 for Star Wars III. Let's see how it goes.

My latest online purchase was from wantitall.com. Yeah. I'm not too impressed.

Oh, a brilliant one is www.bluejeanscable.co.uk. Shipping is affordable, the products are awesome and they are quick & proffesional. So if you need audio or video cable, they are highly recommended.


Please elaborate why you are not too impressed with them ? I am not affiliated with them in anyway but my last few orders were from them and have experienced really awesome service with them even going the extra mile :D
 

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Well, their communication could be better. Much better. They managed to screw up my order completely, and then figured out their system was screwed up, and my order was fine. And they pushed back the expected delivery date of my order 4 times.

Maybe I just had a bad run, but you really only get one chance with most customers. And with me they blew it a bit.
 

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Well, their communication could be better. Much better. They managed to screw up my order completely, and then figured out their system was screwed up, and my order was fine. And they pushed back the expected delivery date of my order 4 times.

Maybe I just had a bad run, but you really only get one chance with most customers. And with me they blew it a bit.

Thats one thing about e-commerce ... you never meet the customer face to face until he collects, so you have to keep your game up ... especially in the communication sector. 1 false move and you've lost the customer. I just wish the customers kept their game up as well ... even today, some guy phoned for a product on my site ... and unfortunately the supplier was sold out ... so I told him if he was interested in a back order, he could do that ... and he agreed and told me he was going to place the order right away ... never happened. Sometimes I also get phonecalls from customers where I can get stock, and I phone around to all sorts of places checking stock and making sure ... than I phone the customer back to tell them I can get ... and then they tell me they will place the order ... and dissapear ... if only customers like these had more common courtesy ... these phone calls cost me a lot of money at the end of the day .. not to mention time wasted :(

In terms of pushing back the dates 4 times ... if you're only vaguely sure of a date ... rather give the customer a later date and deliver early rather then giving them an early date and delivering late. If you lose the sale because it was urgent, at least you didn't piss the customer off and he may go back ... but in a case like this, you will probablly never go back because they screwed you around. Thats something I learnt from a talk by Peter from hellopeter.com
 

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It's is really amazing that about 80% of the online shops in South Africa are computer or technology shops. This is probably because ecommerce is still in its infancy here in SA, and the tech junkies are the only ones that know anything about online shopping! So there is the biggest supply of tech shops, and the customer base is also the techies.

It would be nice to see some quality ecommerce sites offering more diverse products, not just computers and tech stuff. But I suppost this comes with a maturing ecommerce market.
 
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