Zapiro, 2018-05-16, Ethnic Cleansing

C4Cat

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Apartheid SA had ethnic cleansing?
First time I've heard of such a thing.

Maybe he's referring to the Border Wars? :confused:
The creation of the Bantustans and the forced removal of people into those areas fits the definition of ethnic cleansing quite accurately. Not sure how you're not aware of that part of our history or perhaps you're just not aware of what ethnic cleansing actually refers to? It's not only genocide...

Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or racial groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.[1] The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), intimidation, as well as genocide and genocidal rape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
 

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The creation of the Bantustans and the forced removal of people into those areas fits the definition of ethnic cleansing quite accurately. Not sure how you're not aware of that part of our history or perhaps you're just not aware of what ethnic cleansing actually refers to? It's not only genocide...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
Oh, you mean like the Native American Reservations in the USA and Canada?
 

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Oh, you mean like the Native American Reservations in the USA and Canada?
I don't know much about these reservations. Are you talking about the current situation or US history? If native Americans are, or were, forced to live in these areas, then yes. If they have been systematically removed from the rest of the US and then forced to live in reservations, then yes, like that. If they are legally able to live and work anywhere they like in the US (or Canada) then no, not like that at all
 

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The creation of the Bantustans and the forced removal of people into those areas fits the definition of ethnic cleansing quite accurately. Not sure how you're not aware of that part of our history or perhaps you're just not aware of what ethnic cleansing actually refers to? It's not only genocide...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
From the same article you quoted.

Gregory Stanton, the founder of Genocide Watch, has criticised the rise of the term and its use for events that he feels should be called "genocide": as "ethnic cleansing" has no legal definition, its media use can detract attention from events that should be prosecuted as genocide.[37][38] Because of widespread acceptance after media influence, it has become a term used legally, but carries no legal repercussions as there is no legal definition.
Here is a list of all the campaigns identified as falling under "ethnic cleansing".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns

Funny how the two mentions of South Africa is one before apartheid (Correction technically during apartheid but involved Zulus and Asians) and one post apartheid but unfortunately not one during apartheid.
 
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From the same article you quoted.



Here is a list of all the campaigns identified as falling under "ethnic cleansing".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns

Funny how the two mentions of South Africa is one before apartheid and one post apartheid but unfortunately not one during apartheid.
Nevertheless, the creation of the bantustans, and the forced removal of people, accurately fits the definition given.
I'm sorry that Gregory doesn't like the term or definition, or that someone didn't update the list appropriately, but the creation of the homelands and the restrictions of movement and forced removals is pretty much the textbook definition of what ethnic cleansing is.
 

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Nevertheless, the creation of the bantustans, and the forced removal of people, accurately fits the definition given.
According to no-one else but you.

I'm sorry that Gregory doesn't like the term or definition, or that someone didn't update the list appropriately, but the creation of the homelands and the restrictions of movement and forced removals is pretty much the textbook definition of what ethnic cleansing is.
I await you adding apartheid to that list and see what everyone else (with half a brain) thinks about that.
 
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