Zapiro, 2018-05-16, Ethnic Cleansing

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I'm guessing you mean in the sense that anti-zionism is conflated with antisemitism. That doesn't mean that people don't know the difference.
There are valid reasons to believe that many are anti-zionism because they actually just don't like Jews. When you compare the coverage and reaction to the situation in the occupied territories to the human rights abuses as a matter of state policy that happens in the rest of the Middle East you have to wonder why all the focus is on the actions of a country whose very existence and lives of her population are reliant on a strong (and active) military.

The answer is that one story has Jews in it and the rest don't. The reason that some people spend so much energy thinking about and debating Israel and Palestine while they barely have a clue what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds and Shia and what the Turks are doing to almost every minority is because they don't like Jews and will jump at the opportunity to vilify them.

They seem to conveniently forget that the Palestinians were happy for the Arab States (most of whom had as much legitimacy as Israel) to try and destroy the only Jewish state in the ME, and have not changed their tunes ever since.

If Israel was an Arab state and the Palestinians were Kurds, no one here would even know about the place, much less give shyt.
Eloquently put,couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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I'm guessing you mean in the sense that anti-zionism is conflated with antisemitism. That doesn't mean that people don't know the difference.
There are valid reasons to believe that many are anti-zionism because they actually just don't like Jews. When you compare the coverage and reaction to the situation in the occupied territories to the human rights abuses as a matter of state policy that happens in the rest of the Middle East you have to wonder why all the focus is on the actions of a country whose very existence and lives of her population are reliant on a strong (and active) military.

The answer is that one story has Jews in it and the rest don't. The reason that some people spend so much energy thinking about and debating Israel and Palestine while they barely have a clue what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds and Shia and what the Turks are doing to almost every minority is because they don't like Jews and will jump at the opportunity to vilify them.

They seem to conveniently forget that the Palestinians were happy for the Arab States (most of whom had as much legitimacy as Israel) to try and destroy the only Jewish state in the ME, and have not changed their tunes ever since.

If Israel was an Arab state and the Palestinians were Kurds, no one here would even know about the place, much less give shyt.
Well said, and I expect it will go unchallenged by the local jihadi types here.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Nick333 again.
 
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No but you can pull the anti-zionist card on him if there s such a thing.

And now for the trump card, the palestinians were nazi supporters agreeing with hitlers policies on jews, they supported ethnic cleansing of jews by the nazis during ww2 and even collaborated with them in local operation...oops.
[MENTION=7905]ponder[/MENTION] someone with a smattering of history...refreshing amongst the dung and bile couphed up here incessantly from some quarters

Enter Hitler's henchman..the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

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The answer is that one story has Jews in it and the rest don't. The reason that some people spend so much energy thinking about and debating Israel and Palestine while they barely have a clue what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds and Shia and what the Turks are doing to almost every minority is because they don't like Jews and will jump at the opportunity to vilify them.
If Israel was an Arab state and the Palestinians were Kurds, no one here would even know about the place, much less give shyt.
Well said. Note in the Zapiro cartoon there's no Hamas. This despite Hamas orchestrating the event and it's militants being the vast majority of those killed according to Hamas officials. The Guardian wrote a 600 word editorial on the incident and failed to mention Hamas even once.
 

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Well said. Note in the Zapiro cartoon there's no Hamas. This despite Hamas orchestrating the event and it's militants being the vast majority of those killed according to Hamas officials. The Guardian wrote a 600 word editorial on the incident and failed to mention Hamas even once.
people fail to mention the US government as a terrorist organisation as well, with military bases across the world in the name of "democracy" and "peace"
 

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Very few would ever acknowledge that, the hypocrisy is real and the jews are prime evil.
very few people acknowledge that the US government is a terrorist organisation, and if Russia did the same things the US did the world (US government) would go crazy

so yeah the hypocrisy is real
 

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Very few would ever acknowledge that, the hypocrisy is real and the jews are prime evil.
There are obviously people who blames "Jews", but you don't see the irony in blaming "Arabs" for the evils of specific regimes? How is that not doing the same thing?

There's also a lot of people who paint any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism, quite deliberately.
 

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very few people acknowledge that the US government is a terrorist organisation, and if Russia did the same things the US did the world (US government) would go crazy

so yeah the hypocrisy is real
For the record I don't consider the USA saints, post ww2 they've had a bad influence on some parts of the world but it will NEVER be able to compete with the amount of death & misery brought on by communism in the world. This will also never be acknowledged, communism is great to many till this day.
 

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There are obviously people who blames "Jews", but you don't see the irony in blaming "Arabs" for the evils of specific regimes?
The arabs were hostile towards the jews in the area before israel even became a thing.

For schites & giggles assume for a second you were Q, with a flick of your fingers you restore the borders to 1948 status, no settlements, not a single jew in palestine, you disarm the jews as they are perceived to be the aggressors, they are at the complete mercy of their neighbours. What would happen to the jews in your honest opinion?
 

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For the record I don't consider the USA saints, post ww2 they've had a bad influence on some parts of the world but it will NEVER be able to compete with the amount of death & misery brought on by communism in the world. This will also never be acknowledged, communism is great to many till this day.
so now you are comparing a country to an idea, bit like apples and oranges

maybe compare a country to a country, and an idea to an idea?

and once again you seem to ignore the fact that Israel is hosting a terrorist organisation within its borders and your response is sort of along the lines of "well communism was worse, and the terrorists Israel is hosting are not really terrorists, they are just not saints thats all"
 

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so now you are comparing a country to an idea, bit like apples and oranges

maybe compare a country to a country, and an idea to an idea?

and once again you seem to ignore the fact that Israel is hosting a terrorist organisation within its borders and your response is sort of along the lines of "well communism was worse, and the terrorists Israel is hosting are not really terrorists, they are just not saints thats all"
:wtf:
 

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The arabs were hostile towards the jews in the area before israel even became a thing.

For schites & giggles assume for a second you were Q, with a flick of your fingers you restore the borders to 1948 status, no settlements, not a single jew in palestine, you disarm the jews as they are perceived to be the aggressors, they are at the complete mercy of their neighbours. What would happen to the jews in your honest opinion?
What happen(s/ed) to the Kurds, probably.

It's a reductionist (and thus misleading) way of looking at history and the present, imo.

And who thinks Israel should disarm? That would be unjustifiable and entirely unfeasible, whichever way you cut it, I think.
 

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What happen(s/ed) to the Kurds, probably.

It's a reductionist (and thus misleading) way of looking at history and the present, imo.
Exactly.

Maybe but if we look back in history to the early 1900s and beyond there is a pattern of aggression coming from the muslim side before israel was even a thing. The jews only started militarizing after the hebron massacre and that probably saved them from total annihilation in later years with the wars started against them.
 

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Exactly.

Maybe but if we look back in history to the early 1900s and beyond there is a pattern of aggression coming from the muslim side before israel was even a thing. The jews only started militarizing after the hebron massacre and that probably saved them from total annihilation in later years with the wars started against them.
There's actually substantial evidence that Jews and Arabs lived generally peacefully in Palestine, and after the Balfour Declaration things started heating up, with Zionism and Arab Nationalism accelerating.

After the '29 riots, the Shaw Commission found:

“In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents.” Representatives from all sides of the emerging conflict testified to the commission that prior to the First World War, “the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which today is almost unknown in Palestine.”
This explains much of what's come after, I think.

The local Christian and Muslim community of Palestine, who constituted almost 90% of the population, strongly opposed the declaration. As described by the Palestinian-American philosopher Edward Said in 1979, it was perceived as being made: "(a) by a European power, (b) about a non-European territory, (c) in a flat disregard of both the presence and the wishes of the native majority resident in that territory, and (d) it took the form of a promise about this same territory to another foreign group."
 

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Except it doesn't look like they're only targeting any group. They're targeting every land owner in the country.
Trolling again? The violence inciting, "Kill the Farmer kill the Boer" song, comes to mind. I would like to see Eff/Anc attacking, despossesing, removing, burning and intentionally killing black farm owners.
 
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