Zille's tweet on colonialism violates Constitution - Public Protector

[rietrot]

But I want even more privilege. Where can I go get some?

Don't tan ever, don't go in the sun, always use sunblock. Never go outdoors in daylight. Get some blackout curtains for your house.

 

[Devviem]

But I want even more privilege. Where can I go get some?

Change your skin color to black! That way you can get LOADS free and nice expensive stuff at enormously discounted prices.

You will be entitled to BLACk-ONLY BEE deals, black bursaries, black shares, black top managerial positions, ensured a position in any sport team etc. You will be able to say what you like about whites, coloureds, asians without any backlash!
You can blame Apartheid for any of your shortcomings and sommer get a house while you are doing that!

So if you want to become more privilege than now, turn black!

 

[access]

What do you mean?

at the time of the post, i was just thinking of the pp position in government.

but now that you ask, there is so much more. who knows how many people would not be here if their families did not move to south africa when they did, some brought medicines that caused another groups population to skyrocket too for example.

surely you know this though, so then why ask what i mean.

 

[Vrotappel]

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-06-12-another-absurd-report-by-public-protector-busisiwe-mkhwebane/#.Wx95M4ozZPY

Shame de Vos is more worried about Zille being proven right.

:crylaugh:

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Let this sink in a little: this complete and utter retard has managed to get a law degree and become an advocate and then rise to one of the highest positions in the land ...

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... we are so thoroughly and truly fornicated ...

 

[Eniigma]

"250 - 300 years of colonism? That sounds like it was welcomed, like it was a choice." - Kanye West.

 

[Spliffcat]

Hey PP ya dumb pies, pull your head out of Zooms' ass have a look at Malema.

 

[Slootvreter]

Don't tan ever, don't go in the sun, always use sunblock. Never go outdoors in daylight. Get some blackout curtains for your house.

Not good enough.

But I find comfort in the idea that my white privilege can never run out, nor can anyone after me.

 

[Spizz]

Every single aspect of colonialism was negative. There were things that came from Europe that were positive, but colonialism was not one of them. These positives could still have arrived on these shores through trade and mutual respect, the brutality of colonialism was not necessary and in fact held things back. How long were indigenous people denied access to these benefits because of colonialism? Most people only benefited after colonialism fell, before that it was restricted to the colonialists themselves. Look at all the countries in the world that were not subject to colonialism and yet, somehow, miraculously have access to European technologies. You need to differentiate between the things brought to this country from Europe, some of which were positive, with the brutality of colonialism which was all negative.

I do tend to agree with a lot of your points, but which countries are you talking about? I can only think of Japan, and they are wired differently than anyone else and would always be a world leader in anything they do.

And wouldn’t you agree the English language as an official language and medium of education is a positive and a benefit of colonialism?

 

[konfab]

I do tend to agree with a lot of your points, but which countries are you talking about? I can only think of Japan, and they are wired differently than anyone else and would always be a world leader in anything they do.

LOL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan


Japan had perilously few things like woman's rights before the US occupied them.

 

[Anti-Chris]

Every single aspect of colonialism was negative. There were things that came from Europe that were positive, but colonialism was not one of them. These positives could still have arrived on these shores through trade and mutual respect, the brutality of colonialism was not necessary and in fact held things back. How long were indigenous people denied access to these benefits because of colonialism? Most people only benefited after colonialism fell, before that it was restricted to the colonialists themselves. Look at all the countries in the world that were not subject to colonialism and yet, somehow, miraculously have access to European technologies. You need to differentiate between the things brought to this country from Europe, some of which were positive, with the brutality of colonialism which was all negative.

Lets look at the thriving African countries that were never subjected to colonialism... Only 2 countries in Africa has never been colonised, they are Ethiopia and Liberia... Both of which falls in the Top 10 poorest countries in Africa...
Some interesting facts:
First Car
South Africa 1896
Ethiopia 1907
First Cell phone
South Africa 1994
Ethiopia 1999
Internet
South Africa 1988
Ethiopia 1997
Should I go on?
Data for Liberia is almost impossible to find, I bet it is even worse that Ethiopia...

 

[Spizz]

LOL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan


Japan had perilously few things like woman's rights before the US occupied them.

I wouldn’t say a post war occupation is colonialism though.

 

[Spizz]

Lets look at the thriving African countries that were never subjected to colonialism... Only 2 countries in Africa has never been colonised, they are Ethiopia and Liberia... Both of which falls in the Top 10 poorest countries in Africa...
Some interesting facts:
First Car
South Africa 1896
Ethiopia 1907
First Cell phone
South Africa 1994
Ethiopia 1999
Internet
South Africa 1988
Ethiopia 1997
Should I go on?
Data for Liberia is almost impossible to find, I bet it is even worse that Ethiopia...

I’ve been to Liberia. It’s a broken place.

 

[konfab]

Lets look at the thriving African countries that were never subjected to colonialism... Only 2 countries in Africa has never been colonised, they are Ethiopia and Liberia... Both of which falls in the Top 10 poorest countries in Africa

Ethiopia was basically colonised by the USSR.

On 4 March 1975, the Derg announced a program of land reform, according to its main slogan of "Land to the Tiller," which "was unequivocally radical, even in Soviet and Chinese terms. It nationalized all rural land, abolished tenancy and put peasants in charge of enforcing the whole scheme."[16] Although the Derg gained little respect during its rule, this reform resulted in a rare show of support for the junta, as the Ottaways describe:

During a massive demonstration in Addis Ababa immediately following the announcement, a group of students broke through police and army barriers, climbed the wall and escarpment around Menelik Palace, and embraced major Mengistu as the hero of the reform.[17]

In addition, the Derg in 1975 nationalized most industries and private and somewhat secure urban real-estate holdings.

But, mismanagement, corruption and general hostility to the Derg's violent rule, coupled with the draining effects of constant warfare with the separatist guerrilla movements in Eritrea and Tigray, led to a drastic fall in general productivity of food and cash crops. In October 1978, the Derg announced the National Revolutionary Development Campaign to mobilize human and material resources to transform the economy, which led to a Ten-Year Plan (1984/85-1993/94) to expand agricultural and industrial output, forecasting a 6.5% growth in GDP and a 3.6% rise in per capita income. Instead, per capita income declined 0.8% over this period.[18] Famine scholar Alex de Waal observes that while the famine that struck the country in the mid-1980s is usually ascribed to drought, "closer investigation shows that widespread drought occurred only some months after the famine was already under way."[19] Hundreds of thousands fled economic misery, conscription and political repression and went to live in neighboring countries and all over the Western world, creating an Ethiopian diaspora for the first time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg

The ironic thing is that Marxism and communism are precisely the things that all the lefties claim colonialism was.

 

[konfab]

I wouldn’t say a post war occupation is colonialism though.

It is functionally exactly the same

It was a complete replacement of their societal functions. It usurped just about everything about their country.

 

[ForceFate]

Lets look at the thriving African countries that were never subjected to colonialism... Only 2 countries in Africa has never been colonised, they are Ethiopia and Liberia... Both of which falls in the Top 10 poorest countries in Africa...
Some interesting facts:
First Car
South Africa 1896
Ethiopia 1907
First Cell phone
South Africa 1994
Ethiopia 1999
Internet
South Africa 1988
Ethiopia 1997
Should I go on?
Data for Liberia is almost impossible to find, I bet it is even worse that Ethiopia...

Liberia's history a little different from that of Ethiopia. In essence, I'd say Ethiopia is the only country to escape colonisation....

 

[OCP]

Watching her being interviewed on eNCA.

Puts me in mind of Hannah Arendt and the banality of evil. On display here is the banality of stupidity.

What an indictment of our educational system that it can produce a law graduate so utterly incapable of grasping the precepts of justice and prudence that enable the tranquilitas ordinis.

When combined with State power, evil or stupidity can cause grave harm to the common good.

Superseded only by the stupidity of our dear ex-president placing her in that position.

 

[C4Cat]

Lets look at the thriving African countries that were never subjected to colonialism... Only 2 countries in Africa has never been colonised, they are Ethiopia and Liberia... Both of which falls in the Top 10 poorest countries in Africa...
Some interesting facts:
First Car
South Africa 1896
Ethiopia 1907
First Cell phone
South Africa 1994
Ethiopia 1999
Internet
South Africa 1988
Ethiopia 1997
Should I go on?
Data for Liberia is almost impossible to find, I bet it is even worse that Ethiopia...

What is your point?

 

[nightjar]

Every single aspect of colonialism was negative. There were things that came from Europe that were positive, but colonialism was not one of them. These positives could still have arrived on these shores through trade and mutual respect, the brutality of colonialism was not necessary and in fact held things back. How long were indigenous people denied access to these benefits because of colonialism? Most people only benefited after colonialism fell, before that it was restricted to the colonialists themselves. Look at all the countries in the world that were not subject to colonialism and yet, somehow, miraculously have access to European technologies. You need to differentiate between the things brought to this country from Europe, some of which were positive, with the brutality of colonialism which was all negative.

Until the arrival of colonialism sub-Saharan Africa had, for the whole of recorded history, been utterly stagnant in comparison to Egypt, the Middle East, Asia & Europe where countless discoveries and inventions had occurred and enriched humanity.

Without the arrival of Jan van Riebeeck and all those that followed him the whole of present day SA would still be virgin bush suffering under a raging mfecane.

Even now, after nearly two centuries of foreign (mostly white) influence in the old OFS, Transvaal & Natal, “the people” have an uncontrollable urge to destroy everything within reach – schools, clinics, libraries etc.

After two hundred years of self rule Haiti is a perfect example of what you advocate for South Africa.

 

[ponder]

https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...tector-to-court-over-unlawful-report-15433241

Zille set to take Public Protector to court over 'unlawful' report

Cape Town - Premier Helen Zille is likely to take Public Protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane to court after she found that Zille’s controversial tweet about “colonialism not being only negative” violated her ethics code and was inconsistent with the high office she holds.

Mkhwebane has directed the Speaker of the Western Cape Legislature, Sharna Fernandez, to take action against Zille within 30 days.

“Taking into account the negative responses to the premier’s tweet, the statements were not consistent with the integrity of her office and position,” Mkhwebane said in Pretoria.

Zille’s spokesperson, Michael Mpofu, said: “The premier has not received the actual report, outlining the reasons for this finding. However, from what has been announced on television, the premier is likely to take this report on judicial review. The premier has already advised the public protector that, in her view, such a finding would be unlawful and irrational.”

Mkhwebane said the freedom of expression guaranteed in Section 16 of the constitution was not created to allow anyone, particularly people of high positions, to make such statements.

She also pointed out that certain sections of the constitution were enacted to curb such statements.

“Taking into account the negative responses to the premier’s tweet, the statements were not consistent with the integrity of her office and position. The negative responses to the tweet imply that divisions of the past are still not healed,” she said.

She also said a response by Premier Zille was received on March 15.

“She indicated that my conclusion that her tweets gave rise to the constitutional and statutory infringements will amount to and represent an ‘arbitrary and irrational decision’ which will not withstand judicial review (and) scrutiny.”

In her report, Mkhwebane said the allegation that Zille’s tweets violated the provisions of the code were substantiated.

“It cannot be said that the premier’s tweet sought to show concern and respect for those who were victims of apartheid and colonialism. The premier subsequently apologised for any harm perceived by any alternative interpretation of the tweet. Her apology can be interpreted as recognition of the negative impact the tweet had on the dignity of a section of the South African population,” she said.

“Although the tweet could have been made in the context of the premier’s right to freedom of expression as provided in Section 16 of the constitution and in good faith, it was however, offensive and insensitive to a section of the South African population which regarded it as reopening a lot of pain and suffering to the victims of apartheid and colonialism,” Mkhwebane said.