Zille's tweet on colonialism violates Constitution - Public Protector

[ForceFate]

How can the EFF's threats be carried through if they not in power? Having said that, they do not need to be in power to influence the debate. Like the electoral pressure of UKIP forced the Conservatives to offer a EU referendum in the UK, the EFF are influencing the ANC even more leftwards than they already are. Look at land expropriation for instance or how poor students are going to be funded at universities even though SA can't afford it.

And having been on Twitter before the formation of the EFF, I have definitely seen a huge uptick in anti-white racism online from black South Africans since the formation of the EFF.

You may want to read resolutions from ANC's 53rd national conference. Expropriation was already under discussion. On "free" education, the same document considers free education for poor/underprivileged undergraduate students.

All of this happened before EFF were formed.

 

[schumi]

. Legislature undermining Public Protector - spokesperson

.Cape Town - The public protector has reacted with shock to media reports that her remedial action report on Premier Helen Zille’s colonialism tweets was thrown out of the Western Cape Legislature.

DA chief whip in the legislature, Mark Wiley, dismissed the report on the basis that Mkhwebane had misunderstood the law and that the report was not in its jurisdiction.

More at : https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/legislature-undermining-public-protector-spokesperson-15901044

 

[f2wohf]

. Legislature undermining Public Protector - spokesperson



More at : https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/legislature-undermining-public-protector-spokesperson-15901044

Pity that she wasn't shocked enough to have a heart attack...

 

[access]

Pity that she wasn't shocked enough to have a heart attack...

à votre santé to that

 

[schumi]

. #Zille takes on Public Protector, defends #colonialism tweets

.Cape Town - Premier Helen Zille has - this time, in court papers - defended her infamous colonialism tweets after she launched a bid to have Public Protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane’s report set aside.

“My tweets did not demean, degrade or marginalise any person’s intrinsic worth as a human being, their humanity or dignity.

“To the contrary, the tweets inspired a frank and open debate: this act of public dialogue and debate is itself constructive of human dignity and moral agency,” Zille said in her affidavit.

More at : https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/new...protector-defends-colonialism-tweets-15975952

 

[RaptorSA]

Pfft some hot-air that's never gonna happen. How many of the EFF's threats has actually been followed through to completion?

https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...the-boer-song-increased-farm-murders-15745245

"Roets said there were reported cases in the book of people who had committed farm murders and said that they had been influenced by the singing of songs such as Kill the boer or Dubul’ ibhunu.
In the book, it is stated that, after the singing of the song by late ANC Youth League leader Peter Mokaba in 1993, there was an increase of 135% in the murder of farmers.
It said Julius Malema sang Dubul’ iBhunu in 2010 and there was a 51% upsurge in farm murders.
“There is a very clear upward variance in farm attacks and farm murders after high-profile incidents of hate speech,” Roets said."

 

[access]

Pfft some hot-air that's never gonna happen. How many of the EFF's threats has actually been followed through to completion? Racist, very. But almost the same as somebody spewing vitiriol online. Very easy to talk smack when you are the opposition with no actual responsibilities.

The age of the Nats on the other hand had very real and lasting consequences for non-white people in SA. It is on that factor that they are far more racist than the EFF.

so you think the actual eff go and do things instead of inciting people that follow them to do it. or any political party for that matter

 

[Knyro]

https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...the-boer-song-increased-farm-murders-15745245

"Roets said there were reported cases in the book of people who had committed farm murders and said that they had been influenced by the singing of songs such as Kill the boer or Dubul’ ibhunu.
In the book, it is stated that, after the singing of the song by late ANC Youth League leader Peter Mokaba in 1993, there was an increase of 135% in the murder of farmers.
It said Julius Malema sang Dubul’ iBhunu in 2010 and there was a 51% upsurge in farm murders.
“There is a very clear upward variance in farm attacks and farm murders after high-profile incidents of hate speech,” Roets said."

None of those were carried out in the EFFs official capacity. Some loose correlations don't prove anything either. Crime in general is out of controll.

so you think the actual eff go and do things instead of inciting people that follow them to do it. or any political party for that matter

Yes. The land grabs in Zimbabwe were carried out by the official government. Not random Zimbabweans that were just incited.

 

[access]

None of those were carried out in the EFFs official capacity. Some loose correlations don't prove anything either. Crime in general is out of controll.


Yes. The land grabs in Zimbabwe were carried out by the official government. Not random Zimbabweans that were just incited.

so actual politicians went there. ..right.

and here? who incites people to go grab land. who does grab the land, who are the ones doing what their leaders say its okay to do,

there are extreme people that follow that party, that do extreme things. an extremist needs the smallest of reasons to carry out their extremism. looks whos feeding them.

and btw, some zimbabweans were incited to join the government to go take land, on behalf of the government.

if the eff have the government forces to do their bidding, they wouldnt need to incite people to do it for them, they make rules.

silly argument

 

[AfricanTech]

. Legislature undermining Public Protector - spokesperson



More at : https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/legislature-undermining-public-protector-spokesperson-15901044

Shocked! Really?

Did she accidentally put her finger in a plug socket trying to figure out why her TV wasn't working?

:crylaugh:

 

[Knyro]

so actual politicians went there. ..right.

and here? who incites people to go grab land. who does grab the land, who are the ones doing what their leaders say its okay to do,

there are extreme people that follow that party, that do extreme things. an extremist needs the smallest of reasons to carry out their extremism. looks whos feeding them.

and btw, some zimbabweans were incited to join the government to go take land, on behalf of the government.

if the eff have the government forces to do their bidding, they wouldnt need to incite people to do it for them, they make rules.

silly argument

If you don't even understand the concept of "official capacity" there's no point to this conversation.

 

[access]

If you don't even understand the concept of "official capacity" there's no point to this conversation.

are you going to make a point or just make up things i might not understand.

 

[Knyro]

are you going to make a point or just make up things i might not understand.

No need for that I assure you.

 

[access]

No need for that I assure you.

so explain yourself. whos official capacity and how does it relate to this conversation. or have you ran out of things to say so you resort to insulting.

and what does that have to do with

How many of the EFF's threats has actually been followed through to completion?

that have followers do their bidding.

 

[Knyro]

I already said this conversation is pointless. Move along now.

 

[access]

I already said this conversation is pointless. Move along now.

so the eff saying go grab land and their followers going out and grabing land is some loose correlation.

your official capacity point falls flat on its face.



edit: to add

there are literally people in the news saying, they are doing it because the eff said they must/can.

crazies in prison saying malenema told them to do it, whether its directly or misinterpreted from one of his "trolling" moments. it is still happening, they are saying do it, some of their followers do it.


edit:

was hoping to pick apart this official capacity argument, but you dont want to play and im running out of time. just because officially they are/stand-for/say one thing. does not mean they do not promote another, unofficially. they are officials, what they say publicly is hardly in their private capacity. just because the do not officially mandate killing of white people, does not mean they do not unofficially not promote it(which they are)..

 

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. Public Protector interdicted from taking remedial action against Zille

PRETORIA - Western Cape Premier Helen Zille has secured an interdict against the Public Protector and Speaker of the provincial legislature from implementing the remedial action of the report into her controversial colonialism tweet.

Advocate Busisiwe Mkhebane released the report last month which found Zille breached sections of the executive ethics code as well as the Constitution.

More at : http://ewn.co.za/2018/07/18/public-protector-interdicted-from-taking-remedial-action-against-zille

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

. Public Protector interdicted from taking remedial action against Zille

That an interdict is even necessary to stop this level of stupidity is f-ing sad ...

 

[Vrotappel]

So much money wasted by the ANC.

 

[Eniigma]

I'm still trying to figure out which point of the constitution she supposedly broke.

IIRC freedom of speech is actually enshrined in our constitution. And nothing of it was inciditing hatred or violence.


Yes I know I'm late to the party.