Zulu wristband spat 'racist'

JungleBoy

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But religion is incorrectly used to begin with. Zulu is not a religion. It's also technically not a culture. It's is a tribal define (in some parts of the world, that is a definition of a race).

you are right. Zulu is neither a religion nor a culture. but like within the zulu tribe there are many cultures and traditions one of which is animal sacrifice which is driven by ancestry worship.
 
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Who showed "irreverence"?
That is way too big a word. Did he spit on it? Trod it underheel?
No - he told her to take it off. That is not irreverence.

Christians do not wear headgear in a house of god - male Jewish men must. Those two are opposites, so for either to go into their house of worship "properly clothed" then, by definition, must be blasphemous to the other?

"wristband being cut off by her manager"
If it was cut off that is disrespectful.

My take is that people should respect other people's beliefs but if it impedes on your rights its a problem as well.

Muslim people do not work at bottle stores, They don't because it is a sin in their religion, so imagine a Muslim person complaining that he is working with alcohol when he knew what he was getting himself into. That would be ridiculous.

Now that this example isn't was extreme but, : when in France do as the French do, the band is in effect rotting animal skin, and I say that while still maintaining respect for the cultural value of the object, but in South Africa and more specifically average PnP clientèle's view that is not cool to have around food.

Your boss has now told you that he finds it unacceptable, so you have a choice to either take the band off and disrespect your faith or stand up for your faith keep your band on and quit.

That worker, nor can anyone force their faith on a culture that is not receptive.

On the other hand, if the boss did approach her in a , "Haal daai ***en k*k af!", or "Die bledy darkie k*k behoord nie by kos nie!" that would be rascist and they have cuase to complain. The article does not mention this but it did speak about the band incident as being an extension of the manager's rascist attitude. So if he did approach her like that it is discrimination and wrong.

Also if he cut the band off as the lawyer suggested, that is definitley a racial and/or cultural no-no and they also have cause.
 
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Ok here is the deal, of what was the dead thing made? It could have been made from an animal offensive to others.. a hindu would find it offensive if it was made of beef. A muslim and jew if it was made from pork. I find dead anything but treated leather offensive if worn by anyone close to food.
 

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My take is that people should respect other people's beliefs but if it impedes on your rights its a problem as well.

Crap, in the middle ages people was classified as witches and burned at the stake due to people's believes. Luckily we moved on from that.

This is the 21st century and it is high time that africans relinquish believes that belong in the past. Believes like this should not be respected as it ultimately is closely related to stuff like muti killings, etc.
 

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Crap, in the middle ages people was classified as witches and burned at the stake due to people's believes. Luckily we moved on from that.

This is the 21st century and it is high time that africans relinquish believes that belong in the past. Believes like this should not be respected as it ultimately is closely related to stuff like muti killings, etc.

not just Africans, everyone should relinquish beliefs from the past.
let's start with religion, I mean the thing belongs to the pre medieval period
 

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Is it me or is the opening para so poorly written that it seems the actual wristband has been accused of being racist? I hope the washing of hands is still ok?

Would not put it past the ANC :rolleyes:
 

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Issues of culture and religion should always be treated with utmost sensitivity. The key is to find ways to accomodate each other's belief systems without being offensive to one another.

e.g. the store could have asked her to cover it (this is common practice especially whilst the wristband is still fresh). Better still they could have moved her to a section where she would not come into contact with the edibles.

In Africa there are so many cultures and religions and traditions that it becomes almost impossible not to offend or insult someone or some group. :rolleyes:
 

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In Africa there are so many cultures and religions and traditions that it becomes almost impossible not to offend or insult someone or some group. :rolleyes:

If you din't know, that's it you din't know. But the problem is when someone knowingly adopts the wrong attitude, just because he believes the so called culture/religion/tradition is nonsense.
 

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If you din't know, that's it you din't know. But the problem is when someone knowingly adopts the wrong attitude, just because he believes the so called culture/religion/tradition is nonsense.

The problem is you have to employ people from all cultures, and having so many in Africa, it becomes a pain to have to accommodate everyone. And in this example, asking someone to remove a animal skin wristband because she is working with food is not unreasonable. I mean, the purpose of the band is actually to rot off, if I understand this tradition correctly. :eek:
 

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The problem is you have to employ people from all cultures, and having so many in Africa, it becomes a pain to have to accommodate everyone. And in this example, asking someone to remove a animal skin wristband because she is working with food is not unreasonable. I mean, the purpose of the band is actually to rot off, if I understand this tradition correctly. :eek:
I know managers in a diverse environment like ours have an uphill battle. I never disputed that the request to remove the thing was reasonable. All I'm saying is that as leaders we must have better understanding of the different cultures that we lead. That's what makes a better leader.

On the point of rotting off, this is not entirely true as the leather does not rot but dries up especially when exposed to the sun. Case in point is the traditional attire, drums, shields, whips etc. they are all made of animal skins. To say these items are rotting is stretching truth. So the wristband does not rot off but dries up and eventually breaks off the hand.
 

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On the point of rotting off, this is not entirely true as the leather does not rot but dries up especially when exposed to the sun. Case in point is the traditional attire, drums, shields, whips etc. they are all made of animal skins. To say these items are rotting is stretching truth. So the wristband does not rot off but dries up and eventually breaks off the hand.

Thanks for clearing that up for me :) Perhaps she should not have worked in the food department then.
 
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