Zulu wristband spat 'racist'

[Veroland]

With pop-up pictures, colouring in sections at the bottom of each page and a sing-along tune describing the "incident"...

And plastic covering so the book is dribble proof

 

[bsntombela]

I work in the meat industry and tell my staff all the time to take things off their fingers and wrists.

I too must be a racist

"take off their fingers and wrists" - no my friend, u are a cannibal !

 

[DJ...]

The wristband is not your normal bracelet, it cannot be worn and taken off when you sleep or go to work. It has to fall off by itself.

Not all Zulu tribes wear the band and I happen to be from a tribe that does not. However I understand their significance and therefore would urge you to educate yourself before making statements are,in your own words, "ignorant".

You speak as if its literally a dead animal that hangs on the wrist, which leads me to believe that you have not seen the bracelet.

Hence my questions - I stated I am asking out of ignorance. You've misunderstood and taken a rather abrasive approach to responding. I asked you to enlighten me. I don't get it. What does it symbolise? Why is it so important? When is it worn? Who wears it? What is it made out of? How is it treated for bacteria? How long is it typically worn for before it falls off? etc etc.

 

[FantaFest]

bsntombela-I see why it would be such a big issue to remove it now-losing someone is dreadful

Guess its more symbolic of that persons passing.

Unfortunately Pick n Pay have no choice but to follow hygiene policies.They can't take risks like that-It is food they are preparing (guessing thats what she did.)

Also like I said the ANC'S women league are just asking for attention.

The Progressive Women's Movement of South Africa called the incident "blasphemous".

Spokesperson Weziwe Thusi said it was an indication that some men still had no respect for women.

"This action is also in violation of the country's Constitution, which regards all religions as equal and guarantees them protection and respect,"

They must decide-it will be either be a violation of hygiene or culture.

A small issue blown out of proportion by the ANC'S women league

 

[semiautomatix]

The wristband is not your normal bracelet, it cannot be worn and taken off when you sleep or go to work. It has to fall off by itself.

Not all Zulu tribes wear the band and I happen to be from a tribe that does not. However I understand their significance and therefore would urge you to educate yourself before making statements are,in your own words, "ignorant".

You speak as if its literally a dead animal that hangs on the wrist, which leads me to believe that you have not seen the bracelet.

Into my hamburger! Disgusting, I most definitely will avoid any food handlers with these bracelets from now on. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[RazedInBlack]

Uhhmmm! Are we going off-topic? . . . Hehee, no we not! . . . and 2 hour breaks between each sentences.

 

[xrapidx]

I do not have time to do searches on the forum. If you cannot link me, I am just gonna let it go.

Well Essop Pahad recently said that moaning whites are racist. I'm sure you were involved in that thread...

Yeh- it was also another minister type person who said ALL whites are racist... there was also another one who said only whites can be racist - so I don't think its far fetched

 

[blunomore]

Yeh- it was also another minister type person who said ALL whites are racist... there was also another one who said only whites can be racist - so I don't think its far fetched

He must have forgotten that he is married to a white person.

 

[LCBXX]

A worker had a armband made from animal skin on her wrist - I would also deem this possibly unhygienic. I'm not sure what the issue is here, unless the worker was made to take it off without an explanation as to why the removal was required.

If an explanation was given, which according to article it seems, then the ANC Woman's League is only trying to stir crap because that the trend amongst many of the sub-branches of political parties in this country.

The ANC Woman's League however said "hygiene" reasons were a feeble excuse and that removing such a band was considered a sin in African religion

I'd love to see some literature about other "sins" in "African religion". Methinks talking shyte just to get attention might also be a "sin"

 

[Vegeta]

Hold on the manager didn’t ask her to wear something over it he asked or told or just took it off. Now I have a problem with that, if I had a tattoo and he decided he wasn’t going to have that in his store he would be discriminating against me.

I'm sure she can wear a rubber/latex/plastic glove over the arm band.

It’s not really racist its more intolerance or discrimination. I have found though that people who are racist can’t just go out and say/do racist things anymore as their actions would have repercussions so they choose small annoyances and make it about that instead of being outright racist.

 

[Hot_Chocolate]

for blu:

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2450480,00.html

 

[FantaFest]

You can be any race-If you had dead animals skin on your hand and waiting for it to rot away then that to me is unhygienic. You can gladly eat food that is prepared with rotting animal skin on their wrist.

I think Pick n Pay are right to have told her to remove it-also read what the ANC'S Women league say

The Progressive Women's Movement of South Africa called the incident "blasphemous".

Spokesperson Weziwe Thusi said it was an indication that some men still had no respect for women.

"This action is also in violation of the country's Constitution, which regards all religions as equal and guarantees them protection and respect,"

It is a small issue blown out of proportion so that other larger issues get hidden.

 

[DJ...]

Hold on the manager didn’t ask her to wear something over it he asked or told or just took it off. Now I have a problem with that, if I had a tattoo and he decided he wasn’t going to have that in his store he would be discriminating against me.

I'm sure she can wear a rubber/latex/plastic glove over the arm band.

It’s not really racist its more intolerance or discrimination. I have found though that people who are racist can’t just go out and say/do racist things anymore as their actions would have repercussions so they choose small annoyances and make it about that instead of being outright racist.

I intentionally hide my tattoos when in the corporate world. Just a sign of respect - it works both ways remember. However I have also been asked to do so by a line manager many moons ago, and I had no issue with that. It was not feasible for him to ask me to remove it. In this case it was feasible. And remember that intolerance requires the manager knowing the intricacies of Zulu customs in the first place. I wonder if she explained why it was so important to her, or if she merely refused, knowing full well what would happen if he took it further. Or maybe he did know, in which case I'd back you that it is intolerance on his part - but intolerance is not a crime...

 

[blunomore]

for blu:

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2450480,00.html

Thanks HC.

My request for a link was actually related to an alleged incident mentioned by xrapidx where some government person said that all white peeps are racists ...

 

[Kimosabe]

I was wondering the same thing. If I say that its in my culture to wear seven 12 inch black rubber dildos on my head and that when ever someone says the words, racist, BEE or aparthied I have to, according to MY culture, shake my head around and scream at the top of my lungs "VIVA LA FREEDOM"! and slap the dildo's against the floor.
Isn't it the same thing and I should be allowed to do it

 

[coolio24]

Oh you have got to be kidding!? They really need to look up the definition of the word "blasphemy" before embarrassing themselves further with ridiculous public statements like that.

This truly is insane...

Without getting into the argument of whether this was a racist act or not, DJK, did you bother to check the meaning of blasphemy - it means "Showing irreverence and contempt for something sacred" which is relevant in the context they are using it

 

[Vegeta]

I intentionally hide my tattoos when in the corporate world. Just a sign of respect - it works both ways remember. However I have also been asked to do so by a line manager many moons ago, and I had no issue with that. It was not feasible for him to ask me to remove it. In this case it was feasible. And remember that intolerance requires the manager knowing the intricacies of Zulu customs in the first place. I wonder if she explained why it was so important to her, or if she merely refused, knowing full well what would happen if he took it further. Or maybe he did know, in which case I'd back you that it is intolerance on his part - but intolerance is not a crime...

Interesting story i wonder how your line manager would have handled a black guy with jail'like tatoos on his neck and hands. I just think he would have handled someone from a different race as himself differently maybe not racist or anything but not as tolerant. And yes the womans league are totally blowing this nonsense out of preportion.

But we have to keep in mind that its easy for the oppressor to forget and keep it in the past, things where only good for them. It must be extremely hard for the oppressed to forget. Its only been what 15years everyone from the struggle oppressor and oppressed are still around. Its not over people its going to take 100's of years before everyone "forgets". And in SA i dont think people realize why the previously oppressed always blow things up and the previous oppressors always play things down.

 

[Vrotappel]

I just wish that people stopped ridiculing other people's beliefs so much..

I just wish that africans can get out of their african cultural mentality. It's the 21st century FFS!!

 

[DJ...]

Without getting into the argument of whether this was a racist act or not, DJK, did you bother to check the meaning of blasphemy - it means "Showing irreverence and contempt for something sacred" which is relevant in the context they are using it

I wasn't aware of the sacred value at the time of writing that. It's still a mountain out of a molehill imo. Blasphemy it might be if the intent was there i.e if the manager knew the value associated with the band. Otherwise, it's a case of ignorance, and nothing more...

 

[Slaine73]

They will keep on blaming everything on apartheid, for as long as they do that they don't have to admit their own failures and stupidities. Now they have someone to blame, if they don't blame apartheid they will actually have to admit to their own blame.