Zulu wristband spat 'racist'

[semiautomatix]

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2450480,00.html

Apparently there are guards you can buy to cover the item, she chose not to do so and as such potentially endangered other people's lives without concern or consideration.

 

[Moederloos]

Yes, but I could start a cult worshipping the "Sun God" tomorrow and you would have to respect my religious beliefs regardless of whether it is a religion recognised by the State or not. As such, the State recognises no one religion, which is what I posted.

Well, I am going to start a religion that requires people to be scrubbed down with antibacterial rub, and to wear nothing but surgical scrubs while preparing my food.
Anyone who refuses will be committing blasphemy - even if they have never heard of me.

 

[coolio24]

Someone hired as a cashier, would not be moved into a butchery position (unless of course, they went and became butchers via the normal method).
So, people are most likely hired for a position. It probably states in their contract what they are expected to do.

I would have thought they would have a generic term for all those people behind counters, packing stock, etc. But if they are hired for a specific job, then he was certainly caught between a rock and the ANC Women's league
( a hard place )

There are most certainly, however, I hope, hygiene standards for those people, and he could have used this to have her moved

 

[semiautomatix]

Well, I am going to start a religion that requires people to be scrubbed down with antibacterial rub, and to wear nothing but surgical scrubs while preparing my food.
Anyone who refuses will be committing blasphemy - even if they have never heard of me.

I like it. Do we hold meetings at the local Keg on Wednesday, our day of worship?

 

[PeterCH]

Yes, but I could start a cult worshipping the "Sun God" tomorrow and you would have to respect my religious beliefs regardless of whether it is a religion recognised by the State or not. As such, the State recognises no one religion, which is what I posted.

You're incorrect. Again the state recognises religions. It does not favour any one as an official religion and it does not follow religious (ecclesiastic law), but it recognises the existence of religion.

Another example, the State in SA recognises that there are laws in other countries and when SA citizens break laws overseas it recognises those laws
though some of these laws may not be valid in SA.

 

[semiautomatix]

You're incorrect. Again the state recognises religions. It does not favour any one as an official religion and it does not follow religious (ecclesiastic law), but it recognises the existence of religion.

Another example, the State in SA recognises that there are laws in other countries and when SA citizens break laws overseas it recognises those laws
though some of these laws may not be valid in SA.

Yes, the State recognises that religion exists, but no one particular religion. I really don't know how I make myself clearer to you.

 

[coolio24]

Thanks timgaul, the latest article makes it clear, that she was asked to remove it, and that it was not removed from her arm, so the manager did nothing wrong, she should have got a guard to wear over it, not just run to the ANCWL

PS. I still maintain that showing irreverance to a sacred object ( not only your sacred objects ) is blasphemous

 

[JungleBoy]

Yes, but I could start a cult worshipping the "Sun God" tomorrow and you would have to respect my religious beliefs regardless of whether it is a religion recognised by the State or not. As such, the State recognises no one religion, which is what I posted.

the state favours no one religion but recognises all forms of religious beliefs. Religious practices are therefore protected so long as they fall within the confines of the law

 

[PeterCH]

Yes, the State recognises that religion exists, but no one particular religion. I really don't know how I make myself clearer to you.

What you just said makes no sense. I know what you want to say but it comes out wrong.

What you mean is that SA does not have an official state religion. Please don't confuse official state religions with following religious law, also, as that is something else.

The State does give special recognition to religious bodies. Again this does not change the state's secular nature as long as it is not favouring any particular one.

 

[coolio24]

Don't know if this will help or hinder you guys, but this is what the constitution says about the matter

15. Freedom of religion, belief and opinion

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief and opinion.

(2) Religious observances may be conducted at state or state-aided institutions, provided that *

(a) those observances follow rules made by the appropriate public authorities;

(b) they are conducted on an equitable basis; and

(c) attendance at them is free and voluntary.



(3) (a)This section does not prevent legislation recognising *

(i)marriages concluded under any tradition, or a system of religious, personal or family law; or

(ii)systems of personal and family law under any tradition, or adhered to by persons professing a particular religion.

(b) Recognition in terms of paragraph (a) must be consistent with this section and the other provisions of the Constitution

 

[semiautomatix]

the state favours no one religion but recognises all forms of religious beliefs. Religious practices are therefore protected so long as they fall within the confines of the law

I doubt they recognise moederloos' "Hygiene Cult"; but it is quite possible for it to exist. You can not have freedom of religion when it is required that the state know what that religion entails, as such they recognise no one religion (this is very different from "they recognise no religion").

 

[semiautomatix]

What you just said makes no sense. I know what you want to say but it comes out wrong.

What you mean is that SA does not have an official state religion. Please don't confuse official state religions with following religious law, also, as that is something else.

The State does give special recognition to religious bodies. Again this does not change the state's secular nature as long as it is not favouring any particular one.

The state recognises no one religion is not the same as the state recognises no religion. Really, the trick is in the grammar.

 

[semiautomatix]

Don't know if this will help or hinder you guys, but this is what the constitution says about the matter

Which is quite correct. A religion doesn't require the states recognition to exist, it would hamper on freedom of religion.

If the recognition isn't a requirement then stating that the state doesn't favour one religion over another is also no true.

 

[JungleBoy]

I doubt they recognise moederloos' "Hygiene Cult"; but it is quite possible for it to exist. You can not have freedom of religion when it is required that the state know what that religion entails, as such they recognise no one religion (this is very different from "they recognise no religion").

If it can exist that means the state accepts/recognises it.

 

[Slaine73]

As long as you have enough people following and hanging on every word from your mouth, oh and enough people paying ofcourse, you have a religion.

 

[semiautomatix]

If it can exist that means the state accepts/recognises it.

Accept that it may exist I understand, but to recognise something you must be aware of its existence.

And yes the state recognises many religions, but no one religion.

 

[semiautomatix]

As long as you have enough people following and hanging on every word from your mouth, oh and enough people paying ofcourse, you have a religion.

And a meeting a the local Keg every Wednesday.

 

[PeterCH]

The state recognises no one religion is not the same as the state recognises no religion. Really, the trick is in the grammar.

The key is in what recognition you are speaking of. In the way you put it, the two meanings are the same.

 

[semiautomatix]

The key is in what recognition you are speaking of. In the way you put it, the two meanings are the same.

Okay, I'm tired of trying to explain semantics and grammar. Enjoy.

 

[Slaine73]

And a meeting a the local Keg every Wednesday.

Damn can't we make that every Wednesday and Friday? I mean let's be really devout......