Zuma will be out early – Report

RVQ

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But will he still pull the strings?
This rumor has been around since the vote of no confidence. Apparently staying around to use his influence to get Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma voted in December at which point yes he "Zuptas" will still be pulling the strings. If one of the other candidates wins then it will be a major blow for the Zupta alliance and they won't have as much strings to pull...

Either way, apparently they let him survive the no confidence vote so that early 2018 he would step down by the hands of the ANC and not the opposition, a way to save face with the goal of the ANC regaining the ground it lost since 2009. There is a real concern that they will only be able to form a minority government or have to enter into coalition after 2019 with a large possibility of loosing Gauteng.

So 2018 will be a massive drive by the ANC to regain ground, another reason the DA would prefer an election now...

(all rumors from little birds chirping away, guess we'll find out early 2018)
 
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What if the other Zuma wins?

We're fkd either way.
But will he still pull the strings?
Even Zuma goes out early his replacement will be a Gupta puppet so no difference
Nkosasana Dlamini-Zuma is a Gupta puppet. She has been under their influence for many, many years. She helped them getting into many African countries with, especially, medical related tests for medicine for friends of theirs via the African Union. The Guptas needs either her or Jacob Zuma to stay in power to protect them and their interests. They do not trust anyone else to take over control. So, like the article reads, his early removal will be subject to NDZ becoming party and then country president.

This is how state capture works. It is not about the country or the party. It is about individuals who are in a trustworthy position to protect them who have captured the state. The Guptas needs this more than ever now, especially with potential investigations by other countries and possible extradition. You will soon hear about SA breaking treaties with those countries, but it will be done in order to protect the Guptas here in SA and ensuring they are not extradited to stand trial there.

They are in too deep and can no longer run away.

Probably explains why the Gupta's are selling their South African empire.
They are not selling anything. They are fooling people who believe they are selling.
 

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Nkosasana Dlamini-Zuma is a Gupta puppet. She has been under their influence for many, many years. She helped them getting into many African countries with, especially, medical related tests for medicine for friends of theirs via the African Union. The Guptas needs either her or Jacob Zuma to stay in power to protect them and their interests. They do not trust anyone else to take over control. So, like the article reads, his early removal will be subject to NDZ becoming party and then country president.

This is how state capture works. It is not about the country or the party. It is about individuals who are in a trustworthy position to protect them who have captured the state. The Guptas needs this more than ever now, especially with potential investigations by other countries and possible extradition. You will soon hear about SA breaking treaties with those countries, but it will be done in order to protect the Guptas here in SA and ensuring they are not extradited to stand trial there.

They are in too deep and can no longer run away.



They are not selling anything. They are fooling people who believe they are selling.
Why can't the Gupta's just fek off to Saudi Arabia to avoid being persecuted? I don't think they need to stay here, maybe just the Zuma's.
 
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This rumor has been around since the vote of no confidence. Apparently staying around to use his influence to get Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma voted in December at which point yes he "Zuptas" will still be pulling the strings. If one of the other candidates wins then it will be a major blow for the Zupta alliance and they won't have as much strings to pull...

Either way, apparently they let him survive the no confidence vote so that early 2018 he would step down by the hands of the ANC and not the opposition, a way to save face with the goal of the ANC regaining the ground it lost since 2009. There is a real concern that they will only be able to form a minority government or have to enter into coalition after 2019 with a large possibility of loosing Gauteng.

So 2018 will be a massive drive by the ANC to regain ground, another reason the DA would prefer an election now...

(all rumors from little birds chirping away, guess we'll find out early 2018)
The ANC youth league in KZN, who pretty much determines the outcome of all party decisions, already made it clear that there will be no other candidate than NDZ. They have already made up their decision that she will be elected party president come December and followed by country president after that. Like they said, the rest of the country will toe the lines. I am pretty sure that there will be no candidate standing against NDZ and she will indeed become party and then country president.
 
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Why can't the Gupta's just fek off to Saudi Arabia to avoid being persecuted? I don't think they need to stay here, maybe just the Zuma's.
They have extradition treaties with the US. Some countries that do not have extradition treaties with the US may have with South Africa. So, at the end of the day they are not safe anywhere in the world. Their only safety net is here in SA, under protection of the ANC, as long as their preferred 'candidates' are in charge.

Most South Africans still do not realize the effects of state capture. They will soon see the tragedy that will unfold. This will not go down smoothly for the Guptas, as they may have planned, but they are likely to come out on top.
 
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The ANC youth league in KZN, who pretty much determines the outcome of all party decisions, already made it clear that there will be no other candidate than NDZ. They have already made up their decision that she will be elected party president come December and followed by country president after that. Like they said, the rest of the country will toe the lines. I am pretty sure that there will be no candidate standing against NDZ and she will indeed become party and then country president.
:confused::erm:
 

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Whoever wins will have a puppet to serve as interim president, and Hamba Wun sticking around is a major political liability...
You reckon they have enough brain cells to go around the ANC to even recognize a liability? :D
Whether his eminence, mighty zumatello, numbawan, uMsholozi, rapist of women, shower-er of HIV sticks around in an official capacity or an unofficial one, he will still be around and pulling the strings ...
 

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The removal of Zuma is seen as an important step to ensure that the ANC does not lose significant support in the 2019 general elections.
Of course. I hope 2 years isn't too much though for the ANC supporters to remember how the ANC voted for corruption and giving our country to foreign Indians.
 

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They have extradition treaties with the US. Some countries that do not have extradition treaties with the US may have with South Africa. So, at the end of the day they are not safe anywhere in the world. Their only safety net is here in SA, under protection of the ANC, as long as their preferred 'candidates' are in charge.

Most South Africans still do not realize the effects of state capture. They will soon see the tragedy that will unfold. This will not go down smoothly for the Guptas, as they may have planned, but they are likely to come out on top.
Why do you think they all bought properties in Dubai? Moving money and other assets to Dubai?
 

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This rumor has been around since the vote of no confidence. Apparently staying around to use his influence to get Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma voted in December at which point yes he "Zuptas" will still be pulling the strings. If one of the other candidates wins then it will be a major blow for the Zupta alliance and they won't have as much strings to pull...

Either way, apparently they let him survive the no confidence vote so that early 2018 he would step down by the hands of the ANC and not the opposition, a way to save face with the goal of the ANC regaining the ground it lost since 2009. There is a real concern that they will only be able to form a minority government or have to enter into coalition after 2019 with a large possibility of loosing Gauteng.

So 2018 will be a massive drive by the ANC to regain ground, another reason the DA would prefer an election now...

(all rumors from little birds chirping away, guess we'll find out early 2018)
So, in a nut shell; the ANC just needs to remove Zuma next year and 2019 will see them with a majority vote again?
 
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