Zuma's ex-lawyers Mike Hellens and Dawie Joubert 'detained' in Namibia

[TysonRoux]

Zuma's ex-lawyers Mike Hellens and Dawie Joubert 'detained' in Namibia

Former president Jacob Zuma's lawyers, advocates Mike Hellens and Dawie Joubert, were arrested in Namibia on Friday, local media reported.

www.sowetanlive.co.za

 

[TysonRoux]

Go 'Nambia'

 

[kolaval]

What would be the context for them to be there?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What would be the context for them to be there?

They were in the country to represent six people, including two former Namibian ministers, Bernhard Esau, 61, and Sacky Shanghala, 42, who were arrested over their alleged involvement in a fishing quota kickback scandal.

 

[R13...]

Looks like the Namibian government is interfering with the accused right to legal representation here.

 

[ForceFate]

Looks like the Namibian government is interfering with the accused right to legal representation here.

This perhaps?

Several media outlets took to Twitter on Friday, reporting that Hellens and Joubert had been detained by immigration officials for working in the country without work permits.

 

[R13...]

This perhaps?

I somehow doubt a bunch of lawyers would overlook something that obvious.

 

[IzZzy]

I somehow doubt a bunch of lawyers would overlook something that obvious.

It happens all the time, it’s just not policed until... you know, the Government is on the other side

 

[ForceFate]

They'll always be known as ex-Zuma lawyers...

 

[The_Mowgs]

They'll always be known as ex-Zuma lawyers...

Seems like they like to represent the trash

 

[IzZzy]

Seems like they like to represent the trash

That’s a bit unfair considering bar rules are super strict about accepting briefs - unless like 1 or 2 exceptions arise. Problem is if you’re good, people hear and want to brief you and you’re not really able to say no except for limited instances

 

[Segg]

This perhaps?

Knowing some people in Namibia this is actually a commonly prosecuted offence

One guy needed some specialist labor on his farm that only South Africans knew how to do - within a week of them being on the farm the police rocked up and tried to arrest them

As far as I know they came to an agreement that they would teach the locals how to do said jobs - but they had to return to SA first, and apply for a temporary working visa before they were allowed back

 

[TheChamp]

Knowing some people in Namibia this is actually a commonly prosecuted offence

One guy needed some specialist labor on his farm that only South Africans knew how to do - within a week of them being on the farm the police rocked up and tried to arrest them

As far as I know they came to an agreement that they would teach the locals how to do said jobs - but they had to return to SA first, and apply for a temporary working visa before they were allowed back

Said guy did not think it was important to make sure his specialist foreign labour had all papers in order?

 

[Creag]

Namibian immigration officials are incredibly hostile toward people entering their country for business. You toe the line with them or trouble will come your way. Get your visa and do it the right way.

Ironically, if you are there for pleasure, apparently you are welcomed without a visa (that is, South Africans).

 

[The_Mowgs]

That’s a bit unfair considering bar rules are super strict about accepting briefs - unless like 1 or 2 exceptions arise. Problem is if you’re good, people hear and want to brief you and you’re not really able to say no except for limited instances

But can you for instance say no, you do not want to represent a certain individual?

I know nothing about Bar rules etc so my comment was more along the line of "we dont care who we represent, as long as we get our money".

 

[upup]

Ironically, if you are there for pleasure, apparently you are welcomed without a visa (that is, South Africans).

To help crooks , and to make money is their pleasure.

 

[TysonRoux]

What countries allow you to work while on a visitors visa?

'We were treated like prisoners' - Young SA teacher jailed in China tells of ordeal

South African teacher who was detained in China has relived her horrific torment which led to her detention in China.

www.news24.com

One of the most important things that she needed to ensure was done before boarding the plane to the southern parts of China was to ensure that the school had successfully applied for the Z Visa.

Growing number of South Africans arrested abroad

The Department of International Relations and Cooperation (Dirco) has raised concerns about the growing number of South Africans detained abroad.

businesstech.co.za

“Young people who seek to teach in China must make sure that they consult the Chinese Embassy and verify the agents who are arranging their travel. The responsibility to ensure they have the correct visa for working abroad still rests with the individual,” she said.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

It happens all the time, it’s just not policed until... you know, the Government is on the other side

I was almost deported at the time of arrival last time I was in Namibia, I was going there for meetings which didnt require a work permit. The officials at the airport decided my laptop I was carrying and the way I was dressed meant I was there to work though. I had to make a lot of phone calls to the various people I was meeting with - which happened to be government officials - before they would let me enter.

 

[Gordon_R]

Released after N$10,000 fine. Might not be allowed entry next time?

Former Zuma lawyers ordered to pay fines over work permits in Namibia – reports

Two high-profile South African lawyers who once represented former president Jacob Zuma have been released in Namibia after they were ordered to pay fines for immigration-related charges, according to reports.

www.news24.com

 

[The Free Radical]

Trashy lawyers always defending trash.
We need to name and shame more of these bottom feeders.