{"id":56279,"date":"2012-08-01T12:05:15","date_gmt":"2012-08-01T10:05:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/?p=56279"},"modified":"2012-08-01T12:53:24","modified_gmt":"2012-08-01T10:53:24","slug":"beware-non-rim-blackberry-apps","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/cellular\/56279-beware-non-rim-blackberry-apps.html","title":{"rendered":"Beware non-RIM BlackBerry apps"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Vodacom has warned that BlackBerry customers can be billed for out of bundle data when using non-RIM applications. There will also be no warning that users are billed out of bundle.<\/p>\n<p>Many BlackBerry users have been complaining about being billed unexpectedly for out of bundle data usage.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOver the past few months I have noticed that my airtime disappears at an alarming rate without me using the phone. I am using a Blackberry with BIS\u2026\u201d said one MTN BlackBerry user on HelloPeter.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI have a Blackberry Curve 8520. I am on pay as you go (MTN). I have BIS active and the settings in my browser are correct, but I keep on losing credit even when I am not on the internet. It\u2019s usually not much (about 2 cents), but after awhile it gets a lot,\u201d said another MTN subscriber on the BlackBerry forums.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMy partner\u2019s BlackBerry is taking airtime off her phone even though BIS is on. Whether by the onboard browser or WhatsApp I don\u2019t know, but data is apparently being used that is being paid for with airtime,\u201d said a Vodacom BlackBerry user on the MyBroadband forums.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_56283\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/cellular\/56279-beware-non-rim-blackberry-apps.html\/attachment\/mtn-blackberry-complaint-on-hellopeter\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-56283\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-56283\" class=\"size-full wp-image-56283\" title=\"MTN BlackBerry complaint on HelloPeter\" src=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/MTN-BlackBerry-complaint-on-HelloPeter.jpg\" alt=\"MTN BlackBerry complaint on HelloPeter\" width=\"600\" height=\"158\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/MTN-BlackBerry-complaint-on-HelloPeter.jpg 600w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/MTN-BlackBerry-complaint-on-HelloPeter-100x26.jpg 100w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/MTN-BlackBerry-complaint-on-HelloPeter-185x48.jpg 185w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/MTN-BlackBerry-complaint-on-HelloPeter-250x65.jpg 250w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-56283\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">MTN BlackBerry complaint on HelloPeter<\/p><\/div>\n<p>There have been similar complaints by international BlackBerry users, indicating that it is a BlackBerry problem rather than a network issue.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_56281\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/cellular\/56279-beware-non-rim-blackberry-apps.html\/attachment\/blackberry-billing-complaint-from-uk-user\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-56281\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-56281\" class=\"size-full wp-image-56281\" title=\"BlackBerry billing complaint from UK user\" src=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/BlackBerry-billing-complaint-from-UK-user.jpg\" alt=\"BlackBerry billing complaint from UK user\" width=\"600\" height=\"121\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/BlackBerry-billing-complaint-from-UK-user.jpg 600w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/BlackBerry-billing-complaint-from-UK-user-100x20.jpg 100w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/BlackBerry-billing-complaint-from-UK-user-185x37.jpg 185w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/BlackBerry-billing-complaint-from-UK-user-250x50.jpg 250w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-56281\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">BlackBerry billing complaint from UK user<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>Problem not picked up<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Alexandra Zagury, Managing Director for Research In Motion (RIM) South Africa and Southern Africa, told MyBroadband that she was not aware of any BlackBerry billing problems in South Africa.<\/p>\n<p>MTN SA\u2019s customer relations executive Eddie Moyce also said that they are not aware of any BlackBerry BIS billing issues.<\/p>\n<p>It therefore seems that the out of bundle billing problem is a BlackBerry issue rather than an operator problem, and that Vodacom was the only operator to have picked up on the issue.<\/p>\n<p>Curiously 8ta subscribers have reported that they have no such problem, and this may be related to 8ta providing users with 500MB of non-BIS data for YouTube streaming. The non-BIS app data charges may well come of this allowance, although it is actually meant as a YouTube only data package.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_55817\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/cellular\/55809-alexandra-zagury-the-new-rim-md-for-sa.html\/attachment\/alexandra-zagury\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-55817\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-55817\" class=\"size-full wp-image-55817\" title=\"Alexandra Zagury\" src=\"http:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Alexandra-Zagury.jpg\" alt=\"Alexandra Zagury\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Alexandra-Zagury.jpg 600w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Alexandra-Zagury-100x66.jpg 100w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Alexandra-Zagury-185x123.jpg 185w, https:\/\/mybroadband.co.za\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/Alexandra-Zagury-250x166.jpg 250w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-55817\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alexandra Zagury<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>Vodacom explains<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vodacom said that in some instances customers can be billed for data charges incurred from non-RIM apps.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cApplication developers decide how to configure their apps, as a result some applications may incur data charges because they make use of a billable internet connection rather than the BIS connection and this is included in the terms and conditions of the BIS service,\u201d said a Vodacom spokesperson.<\/p>\n<p>According to Vodacom, warning messages can only be implemented by the application developers and many well known applications such as WhatsApp and YouTube do provide a warning message to advise customers about data charges. However, some applications do not.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWith so many applications available and with new applications being developed daily, it&#8217;s not possible for mobile operators to individually confirm how each application operates. This situation is not unique to Vodacom \u2013 it is the same for all networks offering the same BIS proposition and not just in South Africa,\u201d Vodacom pointed out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>BlackBerry problem<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The problem of being billed for services which should form part of the flat rated BlackBerry Internet Service (BIS) can be solved by RIM by changing their operating system.<\/p>\n<p>If users are pro-actively warned by the operating system (rather than the application) that the data which they will use is not part of the BIS, it gives subscribers the power to decide whether or not to use the application.<\/p>\n<p>As it currently stands, BlackBerry users are left in the dark as to whether they will be charged when using certain applications.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that the applications can be downloaded and installed directly from websites (rather than the BlackBerry app store) further means that RIM has little control over their app environment. 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