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  • South African groups trying to obtain arrest warrants for Obama



    Two South African groups were trying to obtain arrest warrants on Wednesday for United States President Barack Obama, who will visit the country later this week.

    Mohamed Hussain Vawda, of the Society for the Protection of our Constitution, said he had brought charges against Obama "of war crimes and crimes against humanity".

    Meanwhile, the Muslim Lawyers' Association (MLA) made an urgent application to the High Court in Pretoria on Wednesday for Obama's arrest, but the application was dismissed.

    Vawda said his organisation had taken a different route to that of the MLA.

    "There are so many groups of people opposing this visit... and the conduct of Mr Obama," he said.

    In an affidavit stamped by the Barberton police, Vawda claimed Obama was directly and indirectly responsible for killing and injuring more than 3000 people, including women and 176 children, in countries which "have been no threat to the US", such as Pakistan and Syria.

    He accused Obama of ordering or sanctioning the use of unmanned aerial drones to kill people the US government considered a threat to the country's safety.

    "These attacks are not authorised in terms of orders issued in a court of law."

    Vawda said the victims were killed on the basis of "mere accusations levelled against them".

    "There is no judicial oversight to determine if these persons are indeed guilty of any alleged crimes. They are deprived of a hearing. There is no accountability at all, just simple brazen murder."

    Vawda claimed the targets were mainly followers of the Islamic faith, and said this amounted to genocide.

    "The urgency of this matter must be dealt with seriously," he said.

    He said his attorney was due to meet the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) on Wednesday to take the case further.

    NPA spokeswoman Bulelwa Makeke said she was not aware of Vawda's affidavit or case.

    "He has not met anyone at the NPA. We don't know about this case, we have no awareness of this".

    Eyewitness News reported that, in dismissing the Muslim Lawyers' Association's (MLA) application, the High Court in Pretoria found that the case was not urgent, but did not rule on its merits.

    Obama arrives in South Africa on Friday as part of a three-state Africa tour.

    "We're very disappointed in the decision, and be that as it may, we remain hopeful that on review, we'll be successful," MLA spokesman Yousha Tayob told the broadcaster.

    A campaign to arrest Obama for "crimes against humanity" was conducted in Ireland ahead of his visit there in May, according to the #Arrest Obama#May 22 website.

    Former British prime minister Tony Blair is also the subject of an arrest campaign.

    A website is offering a reward to anyone who attempts a peaceful citizen's arrest of Blair for "crimes against peace", and said it wanted to show him, among others, that "despite his requests for people to 'move on' from Iraq, the mass murder he committed will not be forgotten".

    The Society for the Protection of our Constitution also sought an arrest warrant for Blair when he visited South Africa in 2012.

    In November 2011, the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal found Blair and former US president George W Bush guilty in absentia of crimes against humanity and genocide for their roles in the Iraq War.

    The court acknowledged that the verdict was non-enforceable, but the findings were reported to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

    At the time The Daily Maverick reported that the official UK government inquiry into the Iraq War, the Chilcot Inquiry, was set to release a report late this year.
    Comments 105 Comments
    1. zippy's Avatar
      zippy -
      Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
      Not well, obviously. But to invade the country? So they invade us, what then?
      Ask the Iraqi's and the Afghan's
    1. DreamKing's Avatar
      DreamKing -
      Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
      Not well, obviously. But to invade the country? So they invade us, what then?
      kill us all.
    1. daveza's Avatar
      daveza -
      Quote Originally Posted by DreamKing View Post
      kill us all.
      `

      And eat our children.
    1. Grant's Avatar
      Grant -
      Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
      Not well, obviously. But to invade the country? So they invade us, what then?

      We strap bombs to ourselves and blow up each other's churches while blaming the "west" for everything wrong with our way of life.
    1. DreamKing's Avatar
      DreamKing -
      Quote Originally Posted by daveza View Post
      `

      And eat our children.
      and dogs, cats, ........


    1. D.B.Cooper's Avatar
      D.B.Cooper -
      Quote Originally Posted by DreamKing View Post
      and dogs, cats, ........


      Only if the Chinese invaded.
    1. FlatspinZA's Avatar
      FlatspinZA -
      Quote Originally Posted by DreamKing View Post
      kill us all.
      They'll need some smart people to run the country, so I guess anyone in the ANC is out, Trevor Manuel aside.
    1. Swa's Avatar
      Swa -
      Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
      Not well, obviously. But to invade the country? So they invade us, what then?
      Start cleaning up the corruption. Not an easy task so I guess they'll flee shortly after.
    1. zippy's Avatar
      zippy -
      Quote Originally Posted by grantza View Post
      We strap bombs to ourselves and blow up each other's churches while blaming the "west" for everything wrong with our way of life.
      Start practising.
    1. LazyLion's Avatar
      LazyLion -
      Hundreds of people gathered at the Caledonian Stadium in Pretoria on Friday to protest against the visit by US President Barack Obama.

      They sang, danced, and chanted slogans denouncing Obama ahead of his official visit to South Africa.

      A large banner with Obama's face had the words: "meet the world's top assassin".

      The banner also had a picture of Obama behind prison bars.

      Many protesters wore black hoods. Others were dressed in Young Communist League red regalia. Placards at the stadium read: "No, You Can't Obama".

      Many local and international journalists, who were camped outside the nearby Medi-Clinic Heart hospital where former president Nelson Mandela is being treated, rushed to the stadium.


      Source : Sapa /jm/jk/th
      Date : 28 Jun 2013 12:18
    1. OrbitalDawn's Avatar
      OrbitalDawn -
      What if a drone accidentally veered off course and accidentally dropped a bomb on a stadium that coincidentally contained communists?
    1. Grant's Avatar
      Grant -
      Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
      Hundreds of people gathered at the Caledonian Stadium in Pretoria on Friday to protest against the visit by US President Barack Obama.
      Rent-a-crowd
      Free transport, cheap meal & chinese t-shirt included
    1. Nerfherder's Avatar
      Nerfherder -
      Quote Originally Posted by grantza View Post
      Rent-a-crowd
      Free transport, cheap meal & chinese t-shirt included
      yep... its the one thing we do well.

      Get a bunch of people together to protest absolutely nothing.
    1. LazyLion's Avatar
      LazyLion -
      A group of Muslim protesters prayed when they arrived at the US embassy in Pretoria on Friday.

      The group moved away from the other protesters to a place in front of the embassy, where small blankets and carpets were spread next to a public address system.

      A man addressed the kneeling group.

      "As far as Obama is concerned, he doesn't represent any democracy. We have seen an acceleration in the killing of people. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries," he said.

      The rest of the protesters, wearing mainly Young Communist League of SA regalia, watched the prayer session.

      Numerous police officers stood at the embassy's closed entrance. More than 20 police vehicles, including a Nyala, were parked outside.

      The activists, from different groups, gathered at the Caledonian Stadium, and walked the few kilometres to the US mission.

      The group marched along Francis Baard Street, singing and chanting anti-Obama slogans. One activist, on a truck mounted with a public address system, led the songs and slogans.

      He shouted: "Free Palestine. Free Swaziland. Free Zimbabwe. Down Obama, down."

      Some of the protesters' placards read: "Obama, stop supporting dictators in Africa. No oil here, move on"; "100 years of genocide in Iraq. War in 100 countries. Rogue State." A young boy's poster read: "No you can't spy on me".

      Many protesters wore orange overalls and black hoods. Some wore camouflage outfits and red berets.

      YCLSA's national secretary Buti Manamela and other officials led the protesters.

      A large banner bore a picture of Obama's face and the words: "Meet the world's top assassin". The banner also showed a picture of Obama behind prison bars.

      Many local and international journalists, who were camped outside the nearby Medi-Clinic Heart hospital, where former president Nelson Mandela is being treated, rushed to the stadium.

      As people in the group passed close to the hospital, they shouted messages of support for the ailing anti-apartheid icon.


      Source : Sapa /jm/th/clh/jk
      Date : 28 Jun 2013 14:12
    1. Haldex's Avatar
      Haldex -
      Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
      What if a drone accidentally veered off course and accidentally dropped a bomb on a stadium that coincidentally contained communists?
      So you support terrorist Obama then...
    1. Grant's Avatar
      Grant -
      Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
      A group of Muslim protesters prayed when they arrived at the US embassy in Pretoria on Friday.


      A man addressed the kneeling group.

      "As far as Obama is concerned, he doesn't represent any democracy.
      The hypocrites - rather typical tho !
      They have the gall to haul out their prayer mats claiming Obama does not represent any democracy.
    1. LazyLion's Avatar
      LazyLion -
      The government's joint security operations team appealed to the public in Gauteng and the Western Cape on Friday not to gather on roadsides to sneak a glimpse of visiting US President Barack Obama and his convoy.

      This request was made in the interest of public safety, said Brigadier Sally de Beer, spokeswoman for the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure.

      "It is requested that members of the public refrain from converging on those areas in the hope of catching a glimpse of the aircraft or vehicles in the security or transportation details, or even of the VIPs," she said in a statement.

      "We have noticed during dry-runs that as soon as a helicopter hovered to prepare for landing, people were running across busy roads towards the aircraft.

      "This not only places the pedestrians and road users at risk, it is very dangerous to approach a helicopter while its rotors are turning."

      De Beer said all efforts were being made to ensure Obama's visit took place in a safe environment, and caused as little inconvenience as possible to the public.

      "Those that do encounter minor inconveniences are requested to remain patient and to be co-operative with security forces and public safety officers.

      "We remain committed to upholding South Africa's good reputation as host of secure international events and visits."

      Obama is due to land in South Africa on Friday evening. He will hold talks with President Jacob Zuma on Saturday and visit Cape Town on Sunday.

      His visit formed part of a three-nation African tour which began in Senegal and would also take him to Tanzania.


      Source : Sapa /ef/jk/clh/th
      Date : 28 Jun 2013 14:19
    1. Lightscribe's Avatar
      Lightscribe -
      A man addressed the kneeling group.

      "As far as Obama is concerned, he doesn't represent any democracy. We have seen an acceleration in the killing of people. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries," he said.

      The rest of the protesters, wearing mainly Young Communist League of SA regalia, watched the prayer session.
      As usual, Muslims and communists in bed together.

      Pacepa: September 11, 2001 was directly rooted in a joint Soviet/Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operation conceived in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The object of this joint operation was to repair Moscow's prestige by turning the Islamic world against Israel and by creating a rabid and violent hatred for its main supporter, the United States. The strategy was to portray the US, this land of freedom, as a Nazi-style "imperial-Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion" (the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress), the aim of which was allegedly to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. In other words, the heart of the joint plan was to convert the historical Arab and Islamic hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States. We threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers.

      In the late 1960s, a new element was added to the Soviet/PLO war against Israel and American imperial-Zionism: international terrorism. Before 1969 came to an end, the KGB's Thirteenth Department-known in our intelligence jargon as the Department for Wet Affairs, wet being a euphemism for bloody-invented airplane hijacking. The KGB constantly lectured at us that no one within the

      American/Zionist sphere of influence should feel safe anymore. The hijacked airplane became an instrument of Soviet foreign policy-and eventually the weapon of choice for September 11, 2001.

      During those years of intensive airplane hijackings, I became amazed at the almost identical pride both Arafat and KGB General Sakharovsky exhibited over their prowess as terrorists. “I invented the hijacking of [passenger] airplanes,” Arafat bragged to me in the early 1970s, when I first met him. A few months later I met with Sakharovsky at his Lubyanka office. He pointed to the red flags pinned onto a world map hanging on his wall. “Look at that,” he said. Each flag represented a plane that had been downed. “Airplane hijacking is my own invention,” he boasted.

      Sakharovsky’s subordinates are now reigning in the Kremlin.

      http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...px?ARTID=13975
      There is no doubt that the Soviet Union played a tremendous role in the expansion and evolution of Islamic terrorism. Many of the people responsible for the policy of promoting fundamentalist miliancy still hold key positions in Russia. People can accept the fact that there are "anti-Bush" cliques inside the CIA and State Department, and the fact that there are "pro-Bin Laden" cliques in the Pakistani military ISI. Yet, for some strange reason, they cannot accept the fact that there are still "pro-Marxist" cliques inside Russia. I believe that the Russian Mafia operates in unison with these "rogue" elements, almost as a separate intelligence directorate.

      To help our readers understand how this clique works, and what it means today, I am posting a series of important quotes from the book, "Spetsnaz" by the defector, Viktor Suvorov. I believe that readers will have a better understanding of the role Russia's Spetsnaz (elite special unit of the GRU) played in terrorism and how it continues to support terrorism by operating through the mafia or in the security services themselves.

      ...

      "The spetsnaz network of agents has much in common with international terrorism, a common center, for example-yet they are different things and must not be confused. It would be foolhardy to claim that international terrorism came into being on orders from Moscow. But to claim that, without Moscow's support, international terrorism would never have assumed the scale it has would not be rash. Terrorism has been born in a variety of situations, in various circumstances and in different kinds of soil. Local nationalism has always been a potent source, and the Soviet Union supports it in any form, just as it offers concrete support to extremist groups operating within nationalist movements. Exceptions are made, of course, of the nationalist groups within the Soviet Union and the countries under its influence."

      "If groups of extremists emerge in areas where there is no sure Soviet influence, you may be sure that the Soviet Union will very shortly be their best friend. In the GRU alone there are two independent and very powerful bodies dealing with questions relating to extremists and terrorists."

      "…The GRU's tactics toward terrorists are simple: never give them any orders, never tell them what to do. They are destroying Western civilization: they know how to do it, the argument goes, so let them get on with it unfettered by petty supervision. Among them there are idealists ready to die for their own ideas. So let them die for them. The most important thing is to preserve their illusion that they are completely free and independent."

      http://www.globalpolitician.com/defa...?23429-russia/
      U.S. intelligence community had “indications that terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and Hamas are feeling the pressure and are hurting for money.” A week later, an FBI Intelligence Bulletin echoed Levey’s conclusion and noted that “multinational efforts have helped to disrupt Al Qaeda’s financial network.” The U.S. government’s release of Ayman Zawahiri’s July 9, 2005 letter to Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in which Zawahiri requested “a new payment…of approximately one hundred thousand” “while new lines are being opened,” provided further evidence supporting the Treasury Department’s evaluation.

      As authorities have clamped down on traditional financing pipelines, such as charitable front groups, and as terrorist networks have grown increasingly decentralized, terrorists have turned to criminal activities to finance their operations locally.

      Throughout the world, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah operatives have involved themselves in an array of criminal enterprises, including counterfeiting, drug dealing, cigarette smuggling, credit card fraud, auto theft, kidnapping, extortion, and artifact trafficking.

      Although criminality is outlawed under Islamic law, the Al Qaeda manual advises that “necessity permits the forbidden.” Reflecting this theory, when Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) operatives questioned whether hacking into foreigners’ bank accounts was acceptable in Islam, JI leader Abu Bakr Bashir reportedly responded, “[if] you can take their blood; then why not take their property?”

      “Terrorist groups are particularly interested in raising funds through crime because as Lieutenant Colonel David LaRivee, Associate Professor of Economics at the United States Air Force Academy, stated, “many of the agencies responsible for enforcement in these areas do not traditionally focus on counterterrorism nor do they have strong ties with counterterrorist agencies.

      This means that many indictable criminal activities that support terrorism are overlooked because they seem insignificant when evaluated locally, but are in fact very significant when considered from a broader perspective.” In order to disrupt these financing efforts, “local law enforcement officials will be key,” as the FBI assessed in a May 25, 2005 Intelligence Bulletin.



      There is a particularly strong nexus between Afghan heroin trafficking and Islamic extremist groups. In 2002, Asa Hutchinson commented that “the DEA has…received multisource information that Osama bin Laden himself has been involved in the financing and facilitation of heroin-trafficking activities.” Further highlighting the nexus, the U.S. government extradited Baz Mohammad from Afghanistan in October 2005.

      According to the DEA, Mohammad’s organization imported tens of millions of dollars of heroin into the United States and “provided financial support to the Taliban…In exchange for its financial support, the Taliban provided the Baz Mohammad Organization protection for its opium crops, heroin laboratories, drug-transportation routes, and members and associates.” Mohammad allegedly believed “that selling heroin in the United States was a ‘jihad’ because they were taking the Americans’ money at the same time the heroin they were paying for was killing them.”

      A U.S. official, commenting in the media, noted that Osama bin Laden shares Baz Mohammad’s philosophy: “Bin Laden does not mind trafficking in drugs, even though it’s against the teaching of Islam, because it’s being used to kill Westerners.”

      http://publicintelligence.net/ufouo-...-nexus-report/
    1. Jhbgirl's Avatar
      Jhbgirl -
      Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
      The government's joint security operations team appealed to the public in Gauteng and the Western Cape on Friday not to gather on roadsides to sneak a glimpse of visiting US President Barack Obama and his convoy.

      This request was made in the interest of public safety, said Brigadier Sally de Beer, spokeswoman for the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure.

      "It is requested that members of the public refrain from converging on those areas in the hope of catching a glimpse of the aircraft or vehicles in the security or transportation details, or even of the VIPs," she said in a statement.

      "We have noticed during dry-runs that as soon as a helicopter hovered to prepare for landing, people were running across busy roads towards the aircraft.

      "This not only places the pedestrians and road users at risk, it is very dangerous to approach a helicopter while its rotors are turning."
      Only in Africa...
    1. Grant's Avatar
      Grant -
      Quote Originally Posted by Garyvdh View Post
      , it is very dangerous to approach a helicopter while its rotors are turning."
      Now, is there some way the members of the muslim lawyers association could be convinced to charge towards those turning rotors
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