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    In honour of those poor souls known as 'Coincidence Theorists' - who always love the official story of anything, especially when it means they don't have to get off the couch and do anything. Here's the 'Coincidence theorists Guide to 911'

    AS REGARDS THE EVEN THE IDEA OF 911 BEING A DELIBERATE GOVERNMENT ACT: ITS JUST A COINCIDENCE That governments http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...019246,00.html
    have permitted terrorist acts
    http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html
    against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators
    http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/
    in order to find strategic advantage, is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about!

    That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank,http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/...tive/case1.asp BCCI,http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992...ci/11intel.htm Banco Ambrosiano,http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm the P2 Lodge,http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Propaganda_Due the CIA/Mafia http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

    That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Riggs_Bank_N.A. has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

    That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

    That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_...orge_w__b.html things.

    That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-...on.cgi.28.html is.

    That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html

    The claims of Michael Springman, http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1 State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

    That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, http://www.complete911timeline.org/ was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

    That so many influential figures http://www.newamericancentury.org/ in and close to the Bush White House http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759 before their militarist ambitions http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

    That the company PTECH, http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...8-secure01.htm founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

    That whistleblower Indira Singh http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

    That on May 8, 2001, http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...%20Sept%202001 **** Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4458.htm for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

    That the standing order which covered the shooting down http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...7/d302515p.pdf of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

    That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

    That Dave Frasca http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

    That FBI informant Randy Glass, http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

    That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1375723 from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

    That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in303601.shtml in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

    That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

    That Garth Nicolson http://www.globalresearch.org/view_a...?aid=670727528 received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

    That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...-vreeland.html sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true. http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Cont...tacodalogin=no
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    I read that Bush`s brother was in charge of security for the trade center, up until the day before the attack.

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    That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php from a disgruntled employee.

    That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...analysis_x.htm demonstrates only the value of being prepared.http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/no...afgh-n20.shtml

    The suggestion that securing a pipeline http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

    That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKA.../ciaheron.html in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html on the part of the agency.

    Mahmood Ahmed, http://www.billstclair.com/911timeli...moodahmed.html chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes....238160&sType=1 days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.

    That Porter Goss met with Ahmed http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/n...4/08/76366.php the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

    That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base http://portergoss.house.gov/ of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

    It's true that George HW Bush and **** Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magaz...738196,00.html at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

    That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07...big-apple.html to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

    Newsweek’s report http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages...le/id2672/pg1/ that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

    That George Bush's telephone logs http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1819543 for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

    That Mohamed Atta attended http://www.911independentcommission....orts31804.html the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/ju...offi-j21.shtml after all.

    That Lt Col Steve Butler, http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

    That Mohammed Atta http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886 dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

    That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/que...di-dekkers.txt the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1294206 That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

    That Hilliard’s plane http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...s/W_plane.html and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html before Seal’s murder, http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions. http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html

    Reports http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html of insider trading http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=102x509119 on 9/11 are false, because the SEC http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ofits_pt1.html was merely, as ever, coincidental.

    That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior http://www.democraticunderground.com...25x10267#10267 to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

    That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent http://www.democraticunderground.com...mesg_id=976740 he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

    That none http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/e...lightdata.html of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

    That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...AIN010912.html in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

    The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/...an_020621.html on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...rassID=/has%5C and Forward http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.
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    In honour of those poor souls known as 'Coincidence Theorists' - who always love the official story of anything, especially when it means they don't have to get off the couch and do anything. Here's the 'Coincidence theorists Guide to 911'

    AS REGARDS THE EVEN THE IDEA OF 911 BEING A DELIBERATE GOVERNMENT ACT: ITS JUST A COINCIDENCE That governments http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...019246,00.html
    have permitted terrorist acts
    http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html
    against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators
    http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/
    in order to find strategic advantage, is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about!

    That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank,http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/...tive/case1.asp BCCI,http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992...ci/11intel.htm Banco Ambrosiano,http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm the P2 Lodge,http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Propaganda_Due the CIA/Mafia http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

    That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Riggs_Bank_N.A. has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

    That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

    That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_...orge_w__b.html things.

    That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-...on.cgi.28.html is.

    That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html

    The claims of Michael Springman, http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1 State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

    That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, http://www.complete911timeline.org/ was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

    That so many influential figures http://www.newamericancentury.org/ in and close to the Bush White House http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759 before their militarist ambitions http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

    That the company PTECH, http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...8-secure01.htm founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

    That whistleblower Indira Singh http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

    That on May 8, 2001, http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...%20Sept%202001 **** Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4458.htm for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

    That the standing order which covered the shooting down http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...7/d302515p.pdf of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

    That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

    That Dave Frasca http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

    That FBI informant Randy Glass, http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

    That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1375723 from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

    That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in303601.shtml in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

    That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

    That Garth Nicolson http://www.globalresearch.org/view_a...?aid=670727528 received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

    That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...-vreeland.html sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true. http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Cont...tacodalogin=no
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    That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1298401 another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1694495 – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

    That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=102x631352 to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

    That a recording http://www.democraticunderground.com...mesg_id=535331 made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

    That the FBI knew precisely which http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816 Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

    That a former flight school executive http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1433886 believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

    That Jeb Bush was on board http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x1328855 an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

    To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...audi_Nationals of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

    Le Figaro’s http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterro...584444,00.html report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

    That the tape http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=1719399 in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

    That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-...sm&Story=37935 flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

    That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, http://www.democraticunderground.com...536576#1536694 is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

    Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...42,curpg-1.cms in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

    That the White House went on Cipro September 11 http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

    That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/ja...anth-j23.shtml demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

    That the anthrax attacks http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act http://www.freefromterror.net/other_...v_anthrax.html shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

    That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

    That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

    That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

    That the White House balked http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLIT....terror.probe/ at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...437267,00.html and stonewalled it, http://home.earthlink.net/~imfalse/9...sion_says.html was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

    That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...5-024012-7011r before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

    That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Thomas_H._Kean suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

    That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex...ctsurprise.htm is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html as an October Surprise.

    That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, http://www.democraticunderground.com...mesg_id=442067 and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=102x655980 infrastructure of money-laundering http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=1555133 and narcotics trade http://www.democraticunderground.com...mesg_id=610235 behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

    That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant. http://www.claremont.org/projects/ju...amdi_ussc.html

    I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.
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    More like the boredgunman with too much time on his hands because he read ALL that
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    well, unlike some others, I actually am ABLE to read, and do so for knowledge and pleasure - so I don't end up making bored comments on data-filled threads because I can't understand all the words.
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    OUCH!

    You will find that I am one of the few thread readers than takes time to read and consider what other is ACTUALLY saying (from their perspective), its just your one thread here will take all of my day up tomorrow to read and make sure I understand coherently.

    I think this is a conspiracy to make me sit at home all of tomorrow!
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    I enjoy reading LGM`s posts. Parts of them are informative, other parts are just bored american bull. Either way, you can gleen some interesting information off them.

    If you dont like what his posting, dont respond to his post.

    Ajak, i find most of your posts repetitive, and they seem to follow the whole "african crisis" theme, but unless the information in them is incorrect, I try not to respond. (Though while under the influence and feeling patriotic at the time, i may have responded to one or two)

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    Blah blah blah blah blah blah.......JEEZ DONT YOU HAVE OTHER TOPICS
    Personally enjoy getting an education and opening my mind to another point of view. Should try it sometime

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    I think that the majority of space used by "Myadsl" belongs to LG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by w1z4rd
    I enjoy reading LGM`s posts. Parts of them are informative, other parts are just bored american bull. Either way, you can gleen some interesting information off them.

    If you dont like what his posting, dont respond to his post.

    Ajak, i find most of your posts repetitive, and they seem to follow the whole "african crisis" theme, but unless the information in them is incorrect, I try not to respond. (Though while under the influence and feeling patriotic at the time, i may have responded to one or two)
    so are you "gesuip"at this moment
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    Well what has American conspiracy crap got to do with us? This is africa not the USA and hi LG's posts are also repetitive by the way.
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    No but with respect Lg knows his stuff about what the US are doing. I just don't like hearing about it as i like the States.
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    What i find interesting is how there is so much proof that America, Land of the free and brave, rulers are doing this to themselves and the world to leverage themselves in a better situation and we all, like the rest of the world, sit back seriously thinking that American's are God's gif to mankind.

    If you ask me the whole concept of why they should have done what they have done farking scary.

    There is no such thing as good will within America.

    United Slaves of America is what our children shall be one day.

    thanks for the info LG.

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