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    Default Political Correctness at Universities (US).

    The conversation up to this point has nothing much to do with the topic of this thread - so no need to listen to the whole thing. Listen from 1:34:10 for the the topic of political correctness at universities from the perspective of a lecturer in the US. Quite unreal how the scientific opinion of lecturers is being stifled for fear of reprimand / backlash.

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    With all this PC bullshyte people are taking a step backwards, so what if someone gets a little offended, take it on the chin and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segg View Post
    With all this PC bullshyte people are taking a step backwards, so what if someone gets a little offended, take it on the chin and move on.
    Aye, but try getting that across to these people who feel their very well-being is imposed upon by ideas they don't agree with. And in many cases it's not even the idea itself that so offends them - it's the mere suggesting of an idea that offends them.

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    The Atlantic has had a number of very good articles on the topic:

    The Glaring Evidence That Free Speech Is Threatened on Campus

    A debate at Yale highlighted the disconnect between those who would downplay the problem, and the growing mass of evidence that they’re wrong.
    Free-Speech Advocates Are Not Trying to Silence Students: A recurring falsehood in the ongoing debate about campus culture, politics, and policy

    And finally this one, co-authored by Johathan Haidt (from the podcast in the OP). His book, The Righteous Mind, sounds like a must-read, too.

    The Coddling of the American Mind: In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.
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    This is unfortunately what a modern day liberal is. Little in common with the civil rights protesters of yesteryear.

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    We can't blame the students alone. They didn't come up with the rhetoric of victimhood they're using.
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    That was a really interesting listen, thanks for that.

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    The brain damage intensifies.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-history.html
    The College That Wants to Ban ‘History’
    The history department might someday become the hxstory department, if the students in the Assembly for Power and Liberation have their way.

    Students at Western Washington University have reached a turning point in their campus’s hxstory. (For one thing, they’re now spelling it with an X—more on that later.) Activists are demanding the creation of a new college dedicated to social justice activism, a student committee to police offensive speech, and culturally segregated living arrangements at the school, which is in Bellingham, up in the very northwest corner of the state.

    Students have the right to push for robust changes to campus conditions, of course. But if administrators care about free speech at all, they will ignore these calls to create an almost cartoonishly autocratic liberal thought police on campus.

    WWU’s student-activist community—the frightening-sounding Assembly for Power and Liberation—made their demands public last week. The document begins by noting that the activists crashed a Feb. 12 Board of Trustees meeting in order to demand “accountability for the violence enacted on this campus,” and were subsequently surprised that none of the trustees accepted an invitation to come to an assembly meeting to “take accountability.” Pro-tip, students: If you ruin other people’s meetings, don’t be surprised when they skip out on yours.

    The most substantial of the activists’ demands is a call for a new college that would essentially train students to become social justice warriors (a term often applied derogatorily by critics of leftism that nevertheless seems appropriate here). WWU must meet the needs of this new “College of Power and Liberation” by immediately hiring 10 faculty members—subject to the approval of student-activists. Finding the money to do all this is solely the responsibility of WWU’s administration, “whose accountability to students should be expressed through their fervent advocacy for students’ needs at both the local and state levels,” according to the activists, who want an extra $50,000 to throw a kick-off party for the new college. Another $45,000 will go toward paying students to do “de-colonial work on campus,” whatever that means.

    Activists have also demanded the creation of an Office for Social Transformation, which would employ 15 students—young Robespierres in training—for the purposes of monitoring “racist, anti-black, transphobic, cissexist, misogynistic, ableist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and otherwise oppressive behavior on campus.” (Anti-Semitism, one notes, is curiously omitted.) These students will be granted terrifying powers to discipline faculty members who commit microaggressions. Professors—even tenured professors—can and will be placed under investigation if they are accused of maintaining insufficiently safe spaces within their classrooms.

    These measures are hailed as “progressive” by the activists—because what could be more progressive than committees of liberal extremists conducting thoughtcrime investigations?

    The third serious demand is for the creation of new residence halls geared around specific cultural identities. Students claim the goal is for people from different backgrounds to live together and make new connections. But if this were true, no new dorm arrangements would be necessary—different people living together is what happens at college by default. Reading between the lines, it sounds like student-activists actually want the opposite: They want to create residential safe spaces built around certain exclusive group identities.

    The result of such arrangements would be a form of de facto cultural segregation that one might expect students would oppose if they were actual progressives. In any case, these communities will be policed by residential advisors tasked with the specific goal of creating social justice activism programs. As with the proposal for “oppression studies” in the dorms at American University, it seems like the idea is to turn the campus into a zone of liberal ideological conformity from which there is no escape.

    Keep in mind that WWU is already an extremely liberal campus with a number of social justice-oriented activities: it has a department of Education and Social Justice, a Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies program, a Queer Resource Center, a Social Issues Resource Center, and an Ethnic Student Center.

    And there’s nothing wrong with that. These programs undoubtedly have much to offer, and contribute to the rich intellectual culture of the university. But there must come a point at which adding more and more far-left instructional options actually detracts from the campus’s intellectual diversity. Besides, the student-activists don’t want to just add more options—they want to push them on everybody.

    At the heart of this effort lies a bizarrely totalitarian ideology: Student-activists think they have all the answers—everything is settled, and people who dissent are not merely wrong, but actually guilty of something approaching a crime. If they persist in this wrongness, they are perpetuating violence, activists will claim.

    The list of demands ends with a lengthy denunciation of WWU’s marginalization of “hxstorically oppressed students.” The misspelling is intentional: “hxstory,” I presume, was judged to be more PC than “history,” which is gendered, triggering, and perhaps violent. It’s easy for me to laugh at these clumsy attempts to make language obey the dictates of political correctness—but I laugh from a position of relative safety, since I am not a WWU professor.

    On the other hand, if a member of campus were to insist on the proper spelling of the word, would he or she (or xe) have to answer to the Committee for Social Transformation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saor View Post
    Aye, but try getting that across to these people who feel their very well-being is imposed upon by ideas they don't agree with. And in many cases it's not even the idea itself that so offends them - it's the mere suggesting of an idea that offends them.
    Laugh in their faces and move on. And if they find that offensive, laugh at that too.

    If everyone keeps laughing at them until they say something that actually deserves respect, well, either they'll learn their lesson or we'll have a self-perpetuating form of entertainment. Win-win?
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    Students have always been over the top when comes to politics, being PC etc. Part of growing up. As soon as they sober up and their hormones stabilise they become as full of sh##t as the rest of us

    Actually, I think they are a lot calmer than the 60's and the 70's. Now that lot where bat sh##t crazy
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    I think we should drop all current American students and all ISIS members into a desert and let them fight it out.

    Oh no wait, the American students will start crying about microaggressions. It would be a pretty one sided fight.

    Seriously though, what in the actual Eff is wrong with people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    Students have always been over the top when comes to politics, being PC etc. Part of growing up. As soon as they sober up and their hormones stabilise they become as full of sh##t as the rest of us
    Plenty of them grow up to be lecturers and teachers who continue their descent into madness and nonsense pseudo-intellectualism trying to "out extreme" each other while indoctrinating the next generation and destroying academic institutions. Others setup/infiltrate lobby groups, organisations and companies, and all of a sudden being a whiny c*** is what actually puts food on their table. It's an industry now, and it is having very serious consequences. They had to carve out most of these spaces because social science degrees are practically useless otherwise. They have to create problems in order to justify their own existence.

    You say it's just part of growing up, but this ideology actually regresses them into small children, quite frankly. They sht their pants, start crying and throwing tantrums over literally nothing. They want to play the victim.

    It's the same strategy of control that toddlers use, except toddlers have an excuse, they're toddlers.
    Observe children, who cry and scream in order to be pitied, and therefore wait for the moment when they will be noticed - Nietzsche
    These people are so bat sht crazy because of cavalier attitudes like yours. Westerners totally dropped the ball on this sht.

    They dropped the ball in the 60's and they never even bothered to pick it back up.

    When Christianity collapsed, that was our chance to destroy that moral value system, but that didn't happen. People simply threw away God, kept the base of that moral value system, and then pushed those values to new extremes, and they are still doing so today.

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    UC-Davis Students: Sumo Wrestling Fat Suit Amounts to Anti-Asian Racism, White Supremacy

    The student government of the University of California-Davis apologized to members of campus who were offended by a sumo wrestling activity that was available during a recent outdoor social event. But a mere apology isn't good enough for students who say the sumo suit appropriated Japanese culture.

    One of the offended is now insisting on mandatory cultural competency training. Another student wrote that he felt fat-shamed by the incident and that he is entitled to "reparations payments." One student said sumo suits amount to "white supremacist anti-Asian structural racism." Another said, "I don't appreciate the blatant Fat-Shaming involved with caricaturing one of the few sports traditionally enjoyed by Heavy individuals."
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    I suppose people can't play American football or rugby then? They would be fat shaming props and whatever the football equivalent is.

    Its just getting so frikken absurd.

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