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    It is pretty much their own fault that they will end up effectively subject to EU rules without any influence over those rules. They had a huge amount of influence from within the EU. They don't however have the clout needed for the hard exit that the leave side wanted. They could of course have opted to take the blow, but who is going to support that when they can't even make the hard changes needed to improve the economy.

    And yes, from within the EU they were still self-governing. The rhetoric about being under the unelected power of the EU was nonsense. It's not the EU's fault if people fail to vote for their MEPs, that MEPs don't even bother to attend or if the UK's government makes poor choices on who to send to represent the country.

    The UK can certainly negotiate separate trade deals to replace the EU ones currently in place, but that will take time. And they can even negotiate one with the EU, but that deal will come with terms that effectively mean they're subject the same rules as they were within the EU. Time will tell if they end up being better, the same or worse off than they were within the EU. If they change their mind later and want to re-enter you can be sure the terms will not be unusually favourable ones the UK currently enjoys.

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    We will now analyse the #Brexit White Paper w/ Member States & EP, in light of #EUCO guidelines. EU offer = ambitious FTA + effective cooperation on wide range of issues, including a strong security partnership. Looking forward to negotiations with the #UK next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
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    so a paranoid lefty farmer is too chicken shyte to stand on his own feet and throws around unsubstantiated claims in order to keep sucking on the EU subsidy teet and this is somehow "schooling James O'Brien"?!?

    Nice touch of irony that he throws in some libertarian literature that he clearly doesn't understand in there though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowBandFtw View Post
    so a paranoid lefty farmer is too chicken shyte to stand on his own feet and throws around unsubstantiated claims in order to keep sucking on the EU subsidy teet and this is somehow "schooling James O'Brien"?!?

    Nice touch of irony that he throws in some libertarian literature that he clearly doesn't understand in there though.
    Yes, obviously NarrowMindFtw understands farming and it's economics in the UK far better than a 'lefty' farmer who actually farms in the UK. Duh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Yes, obviously NarrowMindFtw understands farming and it's economics in the UK far better than a 'lefty' farmer who actually farms in the UK. Duh!
    Try actually listening to the clip, it has precious little to do with farming so I can only assume you haven't done that yet. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, who cannot stay in business without a government subsidy of any kind should go and get fekked.

    His entire argument falls flat because of that basic truth that he is unable to comprehend with the EU teet stuck in his mouth.
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    What I’d like to know is, was the brexit vote for same outcome that May is putting on the table now? It seems like brexit now means something else, and maybe there would need to be another vote to clarify things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scud View Post
    What I’d like to know is, was the brexit vote for same outcome that May is putting on the table now? It seems like brexit now means something else, and maybe there would need to be another vote to clarify things.
    Brexiteers won't allow another vote because they know they'll lose this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    Brexiteers won't allow another vote because they know they'll lose this time.
    But what if the new plan is explained better and actually makes good sense, maybe it could get more support from the left ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scud View Post
    What I’d like to know is, was the brexit vote for same outcome that May is putting on the table now? It seems like brexit now means something else, and maybe there would need to be another vote to clarify things.
    This was the Brexit vote:

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    All the arguing now over what Leaving the EU actually means and entails wasn't what was voted on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowBandFtw View Post
    Try actually listening to the clip, it has precious little to do with farming so I can only assume you haven't done that yet. Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, who cannot stay in business without a government subsidy of any kind should go and get fekked.

    His entire argument falls flat because of that basic truth that he is unable to comprehend with the EU teet stuck in his mouth.
    Pretty much every developed country in the world subsidizes it's agricultural sector. Farmers cannot survive and be profitable without such subsidies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Pretty much every developed country in the world subsidizes it's agricultural sector. Farmers cannot survive and be profitable without such subsidies.
    Forget that. Food security is an actual national security issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Pretty much every developed country in the world subsidizes it's agricultural sector. Farmers cannot survive and be profitable without such subsidies.
    Ah, good old central planning is always better than the free market hey?

    Yes, subsidies around the world are prevalent, they are still just there to hide inefficiencies. Trust me, we need to eat, farmers will profit in a world without subsidies, maybe not farmers from the UK / USA or ZA, but then if they can't survive without subsidies they are benefiting from tax money and passing on higher prices to the taxpayers i.e. fuuuuuk them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    Brexiteers won't allow another vote because they know they'll lose this time.
    Or ... you know ... they had to wait 40 years for this one, the bremoaners can wait 40 years to have a re-vote. Fair is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Pretty much every developed country in the world subsidizes it's agricultural sector. Farmers cannot survive and be profitable without such subsidies.
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    Forget that. Food security is an actual food security issue
    You are treating Narrowband as if he actually has a clue what's going on, beyond what he reads on some internet sites.
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