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    Quote Originally Posted by supersunbird View Post
    Have you been on the Gautrain? No room to even stand at peak...
    Maybe for a couple of trips either way.
    Rest of the time its empty. Not saying it's a bad thing it's just that a backup traffic alleviating problem should've been instituted.
    Something like this shouldve been built between Grayson and Olifantsfontein first and then decide on a cost effective Gautrain.

    How ever double deck freeways seems to be a no no. The one below was demolished following an Earthquake, but it's looks awesome.





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    Quote Originally Posted by lived666 View Post
    Quick midday check show N1 between Roodepoort and 4ways cleared up, still nightmare traffic on the N3 between Edenvale and Woodmead - etoll upgrades don't appear to have made the roads any safer or quicker, nor did they manage to push people over to the Gautrain that is bleeding the province dry through subsidies.
    How do people not understand simple things like these. It bothers me. Maybe this is what happens when emotional thinking overrides logical reasoning.
    The number of cars on the road are greater today than they were in 2010. It was always known that the freeway upgrades were going to offer only a temporay reprieve. As for the Gautrain, it is over subsribed during peak periods.

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    You add more capacity on the highway and do jack shyte about the off-ramps and associated roads, all the while more cars are coming onto the roads? Nothing to do with e-tolling, everything to do with piss-poor planning.

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    In Gauteng, Buccleugh and Gilloolys are always the worst hit when it comes to traffic.

    A system could've been designed to improve the traffic congestion in these 2 areas.

    Maybe a creation of some sub off ramps and alternative routes?

    The lure of Gautrain and how much it was going to benefit the tender holders was irresistible, since it was so largely funded by foreign investors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngwe23 View Post
    And they are...
    Not if they don't get the metro police/provincial traffic police/national traffic police to vigorously police it so people drive in a proper manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxLyrical View Post
    In Gauteng, Buccleugh and Gilloolys are always the worst hit when it comes to traffic.

    A system could've been designed to improve the traffic congestion in these 2 areas.

    Maybe a creation of some sub off ramps and alternative routes?

    The lure of Gautrain and how much it was going to benefit the tender holders was irresistible, since it was so largely funded by foreign investors.
    They could easily open that old offramp when going to JHB CBD Gilloolys from to N3 north for example, so that there is an alternative to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngwe23 View Post
    How do people not understand simple things like these. It bothers me. Maybe this is what happens when emotional thinking overrides logical reasoning.
    The number of cars on the road are greater today than they were in 2010. It was always known that the freeway upgrades were going to offer only a temporay reprieve. As for the Gautrain, it is over subsribed during peak periods.
    How do people not understand simple things like both the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project and the Gautrain are two massive over budget failed hugely inflated costly projects?
    Its bothers me, maybe this is what happens when one is blindly bound to the ANC ruling party?
    The increase in the numbers of cars on the roads since 2010 is negligible and is not the reason the highways are so badly congested and the Gautrain is a flop, it is a mode of transport for the wealthy only and it can not sustain itself as it just does not attract enough passengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lived666 View Post
    How do people not understand simple things like both the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project and the Gautrain are two massive over budget failed hugely inflated costly projects?
    Its bothers me, maybe this is what happens when one is blindly bound to the ANC ruling party?
    The increase in the numbers of cars on the roads since 2010 is negligible and is not the reason the highways are so badly congested and the Gautrain is a flop, it is a mode of transport for the wealthy only and it can not sustain itself as it just does not attract enough passengers.
    No, it attracts enough passengers, it's just so badly planned it can't scale capacity anymore (no 12 or 16 car trains can be used, stations can handle 8 car trains and that's it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersunbird View Post
    No, it attracts enough passengers, it's just so badly planned it can't scale capacity anymore (no 12 or 16 car trains can be used, stations can handle 8 car trains and that's it)
    No, its carrying about half the amount of required passengers a day to break even hence the huge 1.5 billion annual subsidy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lived666 View Post
    No, its carrying about half the amount of required passengers a day to break even hence the huge 1.5 billion annual subsidy.
    Because it can't carry more WHEN the people WANT to use it (peak times)
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    peak traffic yet to start and already the highways are congested, looks like its going to be a nightmare on the roads come peak hour traffic
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersunbird View Post
    Because it can't carry more WHEN the people WANT to use it (peak times)
    I concur, they can't add carriages but are they running their trains to frequency capacity, or are they holding back to keep running costs down? Whats stopping them sending off a train every 2 minutes during peak hour? According to their websites they run 5 trains an hour during peak times, as in one every 12 minutes, I wonder why they don't increase that?

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    anyhow rains are going to make the roads a nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by lived666 View Post
    I concur, they can't add carriages but are they running their trains to frequency capacity, or are they holding back to keep running costs down? Whats stopping them sending off a train every 2 minutes during peak hour? According to their websites they run 5 trains an hour during peak times, as in one every 12 minutes, I wonder why they don't increase that?
    Bad design.

    Marlboro to Sandton and further underground is SINGLE track, yes, the morons didn't build double track all the way. So to avoid head on collisions there is a time limit they can't go below, 8 min intervals if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersunbird View Post
    Bad design.

    Marlboro to Sandton and further underground is SINGLE track, yes, the morons didn't build double track all the way. So to avoid head on collisions there is a time limit they can't go below, 8 min intervals if I remember correctly.
    Was going to mention this.
    Also the planned expansions haven't occurred in 7 years, they've not even started by the looks of it. Was supposed to go to Fourways down through to Roodepoort, this would also help the highways but oh well.
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