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    Also that container ship has a bulbous bow and that did all the damage below the water line causing the extensive flooding.

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    I wonder if the container ship was pulling a hard right when it hit. If the angles had been a little different it could easily have sliced the little Fitzgerald in half.

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    Default Missing sailors' bodies found in damaged USS Fitzgerald

    The bodies of several US sailors who were missing after a US navy ship collided with a container vessel in the busy sea off the coast of Japan, have been found inside the damaged ship, according to the US navy.

    The collision happened early on Saturday when most of the 200 crew on board the USS Fitzgerald were asleep.

    Seven US crew members were reported missing following the incident, which occurred south of Tokyo Bay.

    Yoko Kato, a spokeswoman for the US navy, said divers had gained access to spaces that were damaged during the collision and found a number of bodies.

    Joseph Aucoin, commander of the US Seventh Fleet, said on Sunday the navy had ended its search and rescue efforts for the missing sailors.

    He would not say how many bodies had been found, pending notification of the sailors' family members.

    The Japanese coastguard said none of the 20 crew members on board the ACX Crystal, a Philippine-flagged merchant vessel that collided with the Fitzgerald, were wounded.

    The navy said that the families of those who were found were being notified and provided the support they need during "this difficult time."

    The names of the sailors will be released after all notifications are made.

    At least three other crew members, including the captain, were injured in the crash, which damaged two berthing spaces, a machinery room and the radio room and exposed a mangled mid-right side of the ship.

    It was not clear how extensive the damage was below the water line.

    "This has been a difficult day," Aucoin said before the announcement that the bodies had been found.

    "I am humbled by the bravery and tenacity of the Fitzgerald crew. Now that the ship is in Yokosuka, I ask that you help the families by maintaining their privacy as we continue the search for our shipmates."


    'Very bizarre'

    It was unclear how the collision happened. "Once an investigation is complete then any legal issues can be addressed," the US navy said.

    Speaking to Al Jazeera from Tokyo on Saturday, Michael Penn, a journalist with the Shingetsu news agency said it was "very bizarre" that such an incident had happened.

    "The US navy ship is an Aegis destroyer, which has one of the most sophisticated radars in existence. So how such a ship was taken unaware and rammed by a merchant ship is very bizarre," Penn said.

    The waterways approaching Tokyo Bay are busy with commercial vessels sailing to and from Japan's two biggest container ports in Tokyo and Yokohama.

    Japan's public broadcaster NHK showed aerial footage of the destroyer, which had a large dent in its right, or starboard, side. Images broadcast by NHK showed it had been struck next to its Aegis radar arrays behind its vertical missile launch tubes.

    In May, the US navy's USS Lake Champlain collided with a South Korean fishing vessel, but both ships were able to operate under their own power.


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    bodies of several US sailors
    RIP.

    No jokes about ramming speed then. :/

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    A destroyer is tiny compared to a container ship, the navy vessel got off very lightly. There's going to be hell to pay after this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theratman View Post
    A destroyer is tiny compared to a container ship, the navy vessel got off very lightly. There's going to be hell to pay after this.
    Are the Americans going to declare war on the Philippines?
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    AIS was developed by the IMO technical committees as a technology to avoid collisions among large vessels at sea that are not within range of shore-based systems. The technology identifies every vessel individually, along with its specific position and movements, enabling a virtual picture to be created in real time. The AIS standards include a variety of automatic calculations based on these position reports such as Closest Point of Approach (CPA) and collision alarms.

    As AIS is not used by all vessels, AIS is usually used in conjunction with radar. When a ship is navigating at sea, information about the movement and identity of other ships in the vicinity is critical for navigators to make decisions to avoid collision with other ships and dangers (shoal or rocks). Visual observation (e.g., unaided, binoculars, and night vision), audio exchanges (e.g., whistle, horns, and VHF radio), and radar or Automatic Radar Plotting Aid are historically used for this purpose. These preventative mechanisms, however, sometimes fail due to time delays, radar limitations, miscalculations, and display malfunctions and can result in a collision. While requirements of AIS are to display only very basic text information, the data obtained can be integrated with a graphical electronic chart or a radar display, providing consolidated navigational information on a single display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulcrum29 View Post
    Are the Americans going to declare war on the Philippines?
    No, for the captain, navigator, radar men etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theratman View Post
    No, for the captain, navigator, radar men etc.
    Yep, as per Tom Dyer's comment,

    https://www.wired.com/story/uss-fitz...n-acx-crystal/

    The Fitzgerald, a 505-foot-long Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, likely carried collision avoidance electronics, Dyer says. There's no indication what sort of equipment the ACX Crystal, a Philippine-flagged 732-foot container ship, carried, but even less sophisticated radar systems can offer software that calculates trajectories and alerts operators when they're on a collision course.

    Barring a mechanical error—in these systems or, say, one ship's steering capacity—the collision likely resulted from a mistake, or a series of mistakes. "It's usually human error," Dyer says. Ships follow international "rules of the road" when they're in the same area, which specify how what actions to take in myriad situations, but there's no air traffic controller-equivalent giving instructions to keep everyone separated.

    Most likely, the crews on one or both ships just did the wrong thing or miscalculated. "People don't always remember exactly what they're supposed to do," Dyer says. Because these big ships are hardly nimble, mistakes can prove hard to correct. "Maneuvering vessels of this size is not easy, and they don't respond quickly if someone makes a mistake."
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...des-ship-japan

    While the cause of the accident has yet to be determined, Japan’s public broadcaster NHK said the ACX Crystal had made a sharp turn shortly before the collision.
    It seems that they executed an evasive manoeuvre, but under executed under its steering capacity.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...t-vessel-japan

    Part of an eight-ship squadron based in Yokosuka, the Fitzgerald had in February completed $21 million worth of upgrades and repairs. Japan's Nippon Yusen KK, which charters the container ship, ASX Crystal, said in a statement it would "cooperate fully" with the Coast Guard's investigation of the incident. At around 29,000 tons displacement, the ship dwarfs the 8,315-ton U.S. warship, and was carrying 1,080 containers from the port of Nagoya to Tokyo.

    None of the 20 crew members aboard the container ship, all Filipino, were injured, and the ship was not leaking oil, Nippon Yusen said. The ship arrived at Tokyo Bay around 5:00 p.m. (0800 GMT), sailing under its own power, the Coast Guard said.

    The Japanese coast guard said it received an emergency call from the container ship, the ACX Crystal, reporting the collision at around 2:20 a.m. (1720 GMT Friday). It was questioning crew members of the ACX Crystal, which is operated by the Japanese shipping company Nippon Yusen K.K., and was treating the incident as a case of possible professional negligence, said Masayuki Obara, a regional coast guard official.
    Now I wonder whether the US Navy will be investigated under the same light, but then again, the US Navy will keep this internal and limited to public knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulcrum29 View Post
    It seems that they executed an evasive manoeuvre, but under executed under its steering capacity..
    There was a map of their path floating around somewhere...since they have trackers it's known...they u-turned. Very bizarre & likely the containers ships fault.

    Still weird that a state of the art destroyer had a container ship sneak up on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor187 View Post
    How does this happen in 2017
    One was going this way >>>>>>> and the other ship was going that way ^^^^^^^^ and suddenly BANG they hit other...


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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocXphere View Post
    There was a map of their path floating around somewhere...since they have trackers it's known...they u-turned. Very bizarre & likely the containers ships fault.

    Still weird that a state of the art destroyer had a container ship sneak up on it...
    Silly assumption by only looking at one side, the USS Fitzgerald records are not available to the public and thus there is no likely conclusion on what may have happened at this stage other than the reports made available to the public. Stating that the commercial ship sneaked up on the navy ship suggests that the commercial ship's crew had motive to collide with the navy ship.

    We have records on the ACX Crystal, but the USS Fitzgerald’s records are an unknown. It is known that the area has no east-west lanes instituted to avoid collisions and that commercial ship captains in associations has requested its creation.

    I will wait on the investigation to conclude, and Nippon Yusen K.K has provided their cooperation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulcrum29 View Post
    Yep, as per Tom Dyer's comment,

    https://www.wired.com/story/uss-fitz...n-acx-crystal/



    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...des-ship-japan



    It seems that they executed an evasive manoeuvre, but under executed under its steering capacity.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...t-vessel-japan



    Now I wonder whether the US Navy will be investigated under the same light, but then again, the US Navy will keep this internal and limited to public knowledge.
    We may not not the exact details but we will hear if the CO , XO, and others are held negligent

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackersa View Post
    We may not not the exact details but we will hear if the CO , XO, and others are held negligent
    Agree, but I do believe that both crews was exposed to human error. Since there are no dedicated shipping lanes in the area it is up to communication, to establish unobstructed routes, between vessels, and much can go wrong here due to misinterpretation.
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    ACX crew right before making a "u-turn": https://youtu.be/WXh1tW16V-8?t=105

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