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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    How do you assess that the people want freedom of 1/3 is not even allowed to vote and the others vote several times ?
    This referendum was a joke and it stops right here.
    Take your EU blinkers off and open your eyes, this push has been a LONG time coming, protests from prior years formed a human chain spanning across and connecting numerous different cities, the people out in the streets post referendum filled Barcelona's streets.

    You can argue there were irregularities, sure, but you'd have to be blind to think the majority does not want independence.

    EDIT: and no it doesn't stop here, come Monday there will be a declaration or there will be violence, mark my words
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowBandFtw View Post
    Take your EU blinkers off and open your eyes, this push has been a LONG time coming, protests from prior years formed a human chain spanning across and connecting numerous different cities, the people out in the streets post referendum filled Barcelona's streets.

    You can argue there were irregularities, sure, but you'd have to be blind to think the majority does not want independence.

    EDIT: and no it doesn't stop here, come Monday there will be a declaration or there will be violence, mark my words
    Read the Spanish news, anti separatists were being intimidated for months, policemen have resigned.

    They just woke up yesterday after the kingís speech.

    The two major Catalan banks moved their headquarters out of Catalunya yesterday by the way.

    I have no EU blinkers on this issue but Iíve lived 4 years in Spain and speak fluently Spanish so I can follow the local news a little better than you do.

    A human chain and a protest, that must mean everything.

    1/3 of the population was not ALLOWED to vote. The debate stops there, itís not an irregularity, itís a total failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    1/3 of the population was not ALLOWED to vote. The debate stops there, it’s not an irregularity, it’s a total failure.
    The vote itself was violently oppressed, 100% of Catalans were not allowed to vote by the national government. So you are right, the debate stops there, grant them independence seeing as nobody was allowed to officially support, or oppose, the status quo ....

    But the numbers don't matter of course, this is just some minor fringe element:
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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    The two major Catalan banks moved their headquarters out of Catalunya yesterday by the way
    Voted and approved a potential move, not moved, and that is their free choice by the way. You see how freedom of choice works? You want to leave? Then leave, no hard feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowBandFtw View Post
    The vote itself was violently oppressed, 100% of Catalans were not allowed to vote by the national government. So you are right, the debate stops there, grant them independence seeing as nobody was allowed to officially support the status quo ....

    But you are right of course, this is just some minor fringe element:
    Violently ? Most of the people hurt have been shown to be scams.

    A woman pretending to have a broken finger actually had it before the vote.

    In total, something like less than 10 people spent the night at the hospital, over 2.6 million voting.

    Remember that the nationalists donít even have a majority at the Catalan Parliament, their declaration of Monday wouldnít have happened anyway.

    Itís only posture from Puigdemont (whoís going to end up in jail with the head of the Mossos whoís already in court for sedition).

    Just translate and read that https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/10/05/c...13_891699.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    Violently ? Most of the people hurt have been shown to be scams
    Yeah the live footage of people being bloodied with batons was totally staged ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponder View Post
    Will the gov/courts ever allow the catalans a referendum so it's legitimate?
    Doubt it
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Doubt it
    The Catalan Parliament had a legitimate vote a few years ago, which failed.

    The separatists just ask for a new vote pretty much every year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarrowBandFtw View Post
    Yeah the live footage of people being bloodied with batons was totally staged ...
    of course! lol!

    nothing to see here move along, everything is ok, go back to your homes please.

    I like the way the separatist branding makes it way back in, in an attempt to alienate a group of people. just like some other incident still ongoing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4Cat View Post
    Doubt it
    Why not? Surely if they're that confident the majority of Catalans don't want to leave that would be the easiest way to prove it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by access View Post
    of course! lol!

    nothing to see here move along, everything is ok, go back to your homes please.

    I like the way the separatist branding makes it way back in, in an attempt to alienate a group of people. just like some other incident still ongoing...
    4 people treated, 2 in hospital, according to the Catalan Department of Health.

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02...76_226068.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    4 people treated, 2 in hospital, according to the Catalan Department of Health.

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02...76_226068.html

    strange that you choose to believe those numbers, when other numbers are thrown around on that same site. even on reuters.

    while in the meantime, you can count more people by watching the videos of people being hit with a baton by police. maybe those batons are made of sponge you think?

    do you also think that the entire catalan government is pro leave or are there some that do not want to and say what makes their cause look better. these are governments and politicians we are discussing here.

    looking by my own eyes I can see many more than 4 people injured.. lol LOL! wow man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by access View Post
    strange that you choose to believe those numbers, when other numbers are thrown around on that same site. even on reuters.

    while in the meantime, you can count more people by watching the videos of people being hit with a baton by police. maybe those batons are made of sponge you think?

    do you also think that the entire catalan government is pro leave or are there some that do not want to and say what makes their cause look better. these are governments and politicians we are discussing here.

    looking by my own eyes I can see many more than 4 people injured.. lol LOL! wow man.
    800 people seen by doctors. Read the article I posted, read the statements.

    4 required treatment and 2 were admitted in hospital, itís hardly a massacre as the Catalan government wants to make it look like.

    The anti riot policemen are trained to hurt without injuring people, hence the result.

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    Here also, plenty of images around are not from the referendum but from other events.

    http://www.elmundo.es/f5/comparte/20...6278b45de.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunSA View Post
    Why not? Surely if they're that confident the majority of Catalans don't want to leave that would be the easiest way to prove it?
    That's what I don't get either. Let them have a legal referendum like scotland had, if you are so sure of the outcome then there should be no issues.
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