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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    There is a little bit of a problem though. The neo-nazis and white superemacists can't actually do much. If you wanted to segregate and exterminate all non white people, you would need the government support. That is simply not going to happen. So they are limited to roughly the same things that antifa can do.

    If you actually wanted what Antifa would want if they had the same power as you are ascribing to neo-nazis, it would be communism and gulags. Which would target anyone who they perceive to have "privilege". This is why they have no problem throwing molotovs at gay Jews like Milo.
    You're right, Antifa holds heavy anticapalist views which probably resembles close to Stalins Russia. The antifa actists are just as abhorrent as the Nazis.
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    They just forgot to phone the new Americans and dreamers still in Mexico. Worthless poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techne View Post
    They just forgot to phone the new Americans and dreamers still in Mexico. Worthless poll.
    A small minority who doesn't even count as they aren't citizens only criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackersa View Post
    I actually don’t recall a specific thread for US politics at that time? Can you point me to it?
    Oh lord, just go through Alan's post/thread history. That should keep you busy for a few days. He probably blames Obama for an upset stomach and Venezuela for headaches.
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    So you only believe things you can prove, huh?
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    What a bizarre argument. I started writing why I think so, but found that Matt Yglesias spells it out very well.

    Brett Kavanaugh and the fatal weakness of normcore politics. He’s a very normal Republican pick — that’s the problem

    Donald Trump is not a normal president or, indeed, a normal person. But on Monday he did pick a normal conservative jurist to nominate to the Supreme Court, Brett Kavanaugh.

    There’s something reassuring, perhaps, for liberals in this boring pick, even if they disagree with Kavanaugh’s positions. Perhaps a “normal” pick is a sign that American politics and government might be able to return to some semblance of functional democracy.

    Under this mindset, the problem is Trump. He is at the center of American norms slippage. If he changes America changes. But that effort to place Trump’s sheer aberrancy at the center of American public life — a trend I’ve dubbed normcore politics — suffers from critical weaknesses. The fact that Kavanaugh is normal underscores how real the risk is to democracy. It doesn’t mitigate it.

    The attacks on norms that many fear will outlast Trump’s presidency started long before he took office. And Kavanaugh supports them. His positions pose an immediate threat to voting rights and democratic regulation of the economy. They validate the years-long sequence of norm-shredding maneuvers by Mitch McConnell and total abdication of congressional oversight responsibilities that have brought us to this point. Normal is as bad as not normal, or even worse.

    But if you insist on viewing all of politics primarily through the lens of normal vs. not normal, you willfully blind yourself to the real threat.

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    The norm-shattering blockade of Merrick Garland’s nomination was “politics as usual” in the sense that it was unanimously agreed to by Republican Party senators. And the replacement of Anthony Kennedy by a much-more-conservative jurist who will substantially shift American public policy to the right is “politics as usual” in the sense that any Republican president would do the same.

    Indeed, the entire Kavanaugh cycle from working for Ken Starr to working on the Bush v. Gore case to ensure that the popular vote loser would take office regardless to his ruling in favor of large-scale disenfranchisement in South Carolina is very normal.

    More broadly, the Kavanaugh view that the Constitution grants powerless individuals little in terms of democratic participation but powerful interests much in terms of exemption from regulation is a very normal Federalist Society view.

    But that’s exactly the problem. The American constitutional order is very robust against any effort by an eccentric madman to build a personalized dictatorship. But it’s very vulnerable to the efforts of a disciplined minority to entrench itself in power.

    ...

    A great many Republicans — including many in Congress and many of his own appointees — find this or that aspect of Trump’s conduct to be regrettable on one or more levels. But the party has, as a whole, made a collective and unanimous decision that they are all on the same team and fighting for the same cause. It’s a cause they’ve given up on securing majority support for, but believe can be effectively advanced through gerrymandering, filibusters, judicial review, vote suppression, cable news propaganda, etc. It’s high time to take them at their word that, all things considered, they think this is a good way to go.

    Putting Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court is very normal Republican politics, and that’s exactly the problem.
    In addition to the above, he's hostile to the separation of church & state, and thinks the police should basically be able to do what they want, with the rights of victims of police abuses being far too lenient.
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    https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1017536817506275333

    Deep in that Sun interview, Trump brags that his poll numbers with Republicans are even better than Lincoln's were. Lincoln died a decade before the telephone was invented and about eight decades before presidential approval polling began.
    Would be uncivil to question his mental fortitude, though...
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    Womp womp

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    Womp womp
    What’s with the womp womp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackersa View Post
    What’s with the womp womp?
    Corey Lewandowski (Trump's former campaign manager), made a "womp womp" mocking sound when someone was describing how children are being thrown in cages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrbitalDawn View Post
    Corey Lewandowski (Trump's former campaign manager), made a "womp womp" mocking sound when someone was describing how children are being thrown in cages.
    Googled it...seems to be originally from the sound of a loss on game shows.

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    No one going to talk about Peter Strzok carpet bombing congressional Republicans? Salting their fields? Cutting the tongues from those that would speak their names?

    No?

    Okay then.

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    Trump says the 20-foot-tall angry baby blimp flying in London makes him feel 'unwelcome'

    What was that phrase Trumpists used when they were pretending they weren't the biggest snowflakes in the world?

    Oh yes, I remember now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarog View Post
    So you only believe things you can prove, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randhir View Post
    Trump says the 20-foot-tall angry baby blimp flying in London makes him feel 'unwelcome'

    What was that phrase Trumpists used when they were pretending they weren't the biggest snowflakes in the world?

    Oh yes, I remember now.

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    Are you having a logic fail again? He is going over to the UK as a guest. People should have some respect and common decency. If he feels unwelcome because half of the British has proven themselves to be idiots then he can just not go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rietrot View Post
    Are you having a logic fail again? He is going over to the UK as a guest. People should have some respect and common decency.
    Because that's exactly what most people think of when they think of Trump...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rietrot View Post
    People should have some respect and common decency.
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