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    Quote Originally Posted by rietrot View Post
    Lol you don't spend on tax cuts.
    From the point of view where the government regards everyone as their cash cow, whose property they already have a right to expropriate, they are "spending" money on their population by not taking as much.

    For example:
    Let say you own a flat and are paying off the bond on it. You have a tenant who is paying monthly. Their rent doesn't cover the bond, so you have to spend money to keep the rent competitive.

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    I see the gullible are still falling for it.
    "Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so." -Galileo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unhappy438 View Post
    I see the gullible are still falling for it.
    What alternative do they have?

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    Periodic reminder that 45's talking monkey and Fox host is bats**t insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    Taxing the super rich will not make them poorer or balance out the scales. This is what France tried to do and all their billionaires moved to Russia.
    It absolutely can. The greatest era of growth in prosperity (for the middle class and everyone else) happened when the US had a 70%-90% top tax rate.

    What happened since the early 80s when massive tax cuts for the wealthy and austerity came in, across the US and Europe? Wealth inequality grew at incredible rates while income for those dependent on salaries or wages have stagnated and those at the top have grown their share of national income tremendously, at the cost of everyone else.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n-the-u-s.html



    Now obviously that doesn't mean those kinds of tax rates are feasible or even necessary. But this reflexive recoiling at any idea that the wealthy could be taxed more (and more effectively) is not supported by evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    The remaining rich people who get rich by investing their non taxed money, are getting rich because they are using their money in the most productive way possible. Which helps everyone.
    This is complete fiction, konfab. The most productive way to accumulate wealth is not necessarily the most productive way "for everyone". Did we learn nothing from the GFC?

    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    As for the middle class:
    How do you create well paying, middle class jobs? Here is the easy answer- investments in capital equipment. Said equipment allows people to shift from doing manual labour to more technical labour that requires some skill- hence people can ask for more money for their work as they are using their brains more than their bodies.
    Having access to capital (aka through the institutions I talked about in the first paragraph) facilitates that process. If you don't have a high tax rate, the money will come more from investors than it will from banks.
    You forgot one key thing, strong unions.

    Unions Help the Middle Class, No Matter the Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by konfab
    If there is economic growth, along with a cut in the amount of people coming into the country, those "dirty minorities" will not need social welfare spending and will be free to abort as many of their children as they want to.
    Nope. Drastically cutting immigration will negatively impact the economy and weaken the budget.

    Immigration crackdown is a recipe for national decline

    And the issue isn't really economic growth (which they've managed to get back post-GFC), but how they're spending the money that they are spending. Their spending is staggeringly inefficient in many ways, including on healthcare. If they properly reformed their healthcare system they could have better outcomes while spending less, like the UK. They also waste inordinate amounts of money on defence spending. The latest budget that passed added $160b spending to an already bloated defence budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebus View Post
    Mr. Trump’s budget statement calls deficits the harbingers of a “desolate” future, but the White House plan would add $7 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years.
    Quick math question. Based on the above, which budget scores higher on doozlenuts?

    Both are pretty horrible. And I am sure that the partisan poepholle on both sides have figured out by now that big deficits is a feature of the current monetary system, not a bug. And it is good for the actual ruling class and neither party is interested in fixing the debt issue because they can't fix a ponzi scheme anyway. Surely the PPle know this and this wholwe Demtard/Reptard blame game is just for show right? Right?
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    More lies come tumbling down.

    Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Says He Paid Stormy Daniels Out of His Own Pocket

    Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, said on Tuesday that he paid $130,000 out of his own pocket to a pornographic-film actress who had once claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump.
    White House reels as FBI director contradicts official claims about alleged abuser

    The White House struggled Tuesday to contain a widening crisis over its handling of domestic violence allegations against a senior official, as it reeled after sworn testimony by the FBI chief directly contradicted what President Trump’s aides had presented as the official version of events.

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    Inside the West Wing, a growing number of aides blamed Trump’s second White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, for the bungled handling of the allegations against Porter. Trump in recent days has begun musing about possible replacements, according to people with knowledge of the conversations.

    Kelly is “a big fat liar,” said one White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share a candid opinion. “To put it in terms the general would understand, his handling of the Porter scandal amounts to dereliction of duty.”
    But then, who could have known a place like this would have issues:

    A Whirlwind Envelops the White House, and the Revolving Door Spins

    The doors at the White House have been swinging a lot lately. A deputy chief of staff moved on. A speechwriter resigned. The associate attorney general stepped down. The chief of staff offered to quit. And that was just Friday.

    ...

    More than a year into his administration, President Trump is presiding over a staff in turmoil, one with a 34 percent turnover rate, higher than any White House in decades.

    Mr. Trump’s 34 percent turnover rate in his first year is more than three times as high as President Barack Obama’s in the same period and twice as high as President Ronald Reagan’s, which until now was the modern record-holder. Of 12 positions deemed most central to the president, only five are still filled by the same person as when Mr. Trump took office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techne View Post
    Quick math question. Based on the above, which budget scores higher on doozlenuts?

    Both are pretty horrible. And I am sure that the partisan poepholle on both sides have figured out by now that big deficits is a feature of the current monetary system, not a bug. And it is good for the actual ruling class and neither party is interested in fixing the debt issue because they can't fix a ponzi scheme anyway. Surely the PPle know this and this wholwe Demtard/Reptard blame game is just for show right? Right?
    See OD's post above yours. Not that I'm in favour of a fiscal deficit at all, but the issue isn't so much with blowing out the budget as with the fine details of the plan. Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations, and it's dehumanising. All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    God damn, what is it with every news site wanting to shove an autoplaying video in my face? If I wanted a damn video, I'd hit up their YouTube channel.
    I browse the net with no-script enabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebus View Post
    See OD's post above yours. Not that I'm in favour of a fiscal deficit at all, but the issue isn't so much with blowing out the budget as with the fine details of the plan. Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations, and it's dehumanising. All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.
    You can shift the $#/+ in the sewerage farm all you want. There will always be a turd complaining and it won't fix the crappy corrupt system and the owners don't give a crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    I browse the net with no-script enabled.
    I would love to to but pretty much every damn site uses some form of JS nowadays. Like, simple stuff doesn't even work with it disabled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    As for facts, well those are technically derived from opinion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    I would love to to but pretty much every damn site uses some form of JS nowadays. Like, simple stuff doesn't even work with it disabled.
    If you see a flash drive lying on the ground, would you insert it into your work PC? I view the running of JS on my computer in the same way. It is a PITA to go to a new website, but it is well worth blocking all the tracking, adverts and cryptominers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebus View Post
    Replacing food stamps with food boxes is a gift to subsidized corporations.
    As if EBT cards being accepted at McDonalds isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebus View Post
    And it's dehumanising.
    That is stupid. People pay for a private service that does almost exactly the same thing. And at least this starts to address the nutritional trap that is one of the main causes of obesity in poor people.

    All forms of welfare are being asphyxiated, while defence spending gets a $160 billion increase. It's obscene.
    Can we meet halfway? Slash the welfare and the military spending. This would actually do everyone a favor, including poor people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    As if EBT cards being accepted at McDonalds isn't.
    Yeah that's a choice people have.

    That is stupid. People pay for a private service that does almost exactly the same thing. And at least this starts to address the nutritional trap that is one of the main causes of obesity in poor people.
    Comparing their food boxes to Blue Apron is an absolute farce.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...rogram-n847586

    You want the government to decide on the food that poor people should be forced to eat? How about if you were poor; do you think you'd be done a favour by getting a box of spam and pasta every day, instead of allocated food stamps that you can spend discretionarily?

    Can we meet halfway? Slash the welfare and the military spending. This would actually do everyone a favor, including poor people.
    There is a vast gulf between spending tax money on infrastructure, education, public health, and social grants; and reallocating that same money to be spent on beefing up an already vastly outsized military. You're just dodging the issue.

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    Veterans Affairs chief Shulkin, staff misled ethics officials about European trip, report finds

    Veterans Affairs Secretary David J. Shulkin’s chief of staff doctored an email and made false statements to create a pretext for taxpayers to cover expenses for the secretary’s wife on a 10-day trip to Europe last summer, the agency’s inspector general has found.
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